Livingstone unveils £25 'Chelsea Tractor' charge

[robert.saunders]

Robert, living where you are I would be bothered about stopping a different tide.

I'm not trying to stop anything? I'm posting a news item.

I have no opinion on this topic.

With regard to the other tide, I don't think I can stop that either

 

[Rose Chap]

now we can choose to adapt to it or we can chose to bury our heads and live with the consequences.

Or those who live in London can vote this little toad and his socialist cronies out of office.

 

[Dieselman]

I'm not trying to stop anything?

That's why I said.
"This bit isn't directed at you Robert.."

regards

 

[Rose Chap]

That's why I said.
"This bit isn't directed at you Robert.."

regards

This is all too subtle for me. What's the bit I'm not getting?

 

[Dieselman]

This is all too subtle for me. What's the bit I'm not getting?

From Roberts post I think he thought I was targetting him with my remark.

 

[Fandango]

Or those who live in London can vote this little toad and his socialist cronies out of office.

Living in Henley you will of course be inordinately sympathetic to people in London who would like to breath clean air.

Blimey, what is this, a right wing post competition?

 

[recycled]

Thank Goodness everyone is beginning to see what this congestion crap is all about. Nothing to do with global warming or the environment.
So if one has a car of 1999 e500 what will he pay? £25

 

[TonyVianoAmbiente]

I'm pretty sure that soon we will ALL have this sort of legislation, now we can choose to adapt to it or we can chose to bury our heads and live with the consequences.

I agree. Manchester is next, and other cities will follow.

What is important is that this isn't merely a tax-raising initiative. All the money raised goes to Transport for London. Not a single penny goes to the Treasury, and all the money is being invested in improving London's public transport. Literally billions of pounds is being spent on the Tube, and the congestion charge funding is making a very significant contribution to that and other public transport projects.

If the money was being siphoned off to do other things I could understand the criticism. It isn't being siphoned off. It is being invested in making a better public transport system for London. The congestion charge is contributing to further improvements in bus, train and tram services.

We have to get away from the idea that each of us has an unalienable right to drive when and where we wish, for doing things that way will only lead to oblivion.

I frequently visit London. If I am going anywhere within the North and South Circular Roads, I drive to a railway station and take the train. Parking is reasonable, costing £3.50.

The train service is excellent, and it is cheap outside the morning peak. A one day off peak Travelcard costs me £7.80, and gets me anywhere in Zones 1-6. That wouldn't even pay for the fuel in my car, and going by train, my contribution to atmospheric carbon dioxide is a tiny fraction of the car's.

Don't get me wrong. I love driving, and I love my Mercedes-Benz. But I am not under any illusion about asserting "rights" that I simply do not have. We all have obligations and responsibilities too.

 

[recycled]

And pigs are flying as well

 

[recycled]

So why do all the politicians not take the train? besides i do not want to get stabbed for an oyster card by some geezer who has been let out early from prison.
As for taxes and congestion, No way that money is being ploughed back into the transport system. if you have any document that says so i will gladly like to see it.
Billions spent on the tube?
Did they not just shelve maintenance last ,month as there was no money to mainatain the tracks?

 

[Gucci]

I do live in London and can't wait to shift Livingstone out for this. I commute on the train as it's faster and there's nowhere to park. Yes Ken hates cars, so he wants rid...to make room for his favourite..buses. I counted (parked nose to tail with nothing to seperate them)...eight buses! Half of them were empty. It's a farce.

Get Boris in NOW!

 

[recycled]

In manchester the irish car editor in chief counted eight buses in peak hour with a total of 17people in them going only on lucrative routes

 

[marcos]

I agree. Manchester is next, and other cities will follow.

What is important is that this isn't merely a tax-raising initiative. All the money raised goes to Transport for London. Not a single penny goes to the Treasury, and all the money is being invested in improving London's public transport. Literally billions of pounds is being spent on the Tube, and the congestion charge funding is making a very significant contribution to that and other public transport projects.

If the money was being siphoned off to do other things I could understand the criticism. It isn't being siphoned off. It is being invested in making a better public transport system for London. The congestion charge is contributing to further improvements in bus, train and tram services.

We have to get away from the idea that each of us has an unalienable right to drive when and where we wish, for doing things that way will only lead to oblivion.

I frequently visit London. If I am going anywhere within the North and South Circular Roads, I drive to a railway station and take the train. Parking is reasonable, costing £3.50.

The train service is excellent, and it is cheap outside the morning peak. A one day off peak Travelcard costs me £7.80, and gets me anywhere in Zones 1-6. That wouldn't even pay for the fuel in my car, and going by train, my contribution to atmospheric carbon dioxide is a tiny fraction of the car's.

Don't get me wrong. I love driving, and I love my Mercedes-Benz. But I am not under any illusion about asserting "rights" that I simply do not have. We all have obligations and responsibilities too.

Open your eyes!

The congestion charge is just another tax to pay for all the twats that work for TFL. TFL has the highest percentage of workers earning in excess of £100k than any other organisation. Why
No one at TFL has the decency to answer letters or e-mails, believe me I have written quite a few, and not one employee of TFL has to pay the congextion charge, why are they exempt
A Toyota Prius is exempt from the congestion charge but over it's lifetime will cause more damage to the enviroment than a Hummer, cadmium mining, what the batteries consist of, is the most destructive form of mining known to man and there is no good way to recycle it.
As for an excellent train service you are living on another planet, my company is based in Hertford which has two train lines going into London. Invariably these lines are shut or there are huge delays which means I can't get to meetings so I have to end up taking the car. The railways have sod all to do with TFL and therefore recieve no funding from the congestion charge robbery. The tube and London buses do however recieve funding and compared to a lot of cities I visit they are terrible. Madrid does not have a congestion charge and yet it's buses and metro system run on time with very few cancellations, is cheap and is spotlessley clean, what we have is crap in comparison.
I do a lot for the enviroment, I reclycle everthing, I cycle a lot locally and I support clean energy systems but this is pony.
TFL has done absolutely nothing for London except make it bloody expensive to get through and to pay a load of wasters an awfully big wage at the expense of suckers like us.

 

[Dieselman]

Of course at certain times of the day busses will APPEAR to be under utilised. Those busses with only a few people on them may well have dropped a number of people off at earlier stops, and of course you will be hard pushed to get a seat anywhere near the rush hour.

My local bus route runs double deckers every ten minutes during peak times, and they are always full. Sometimes additional busses are laid on to cope with demand as the full ones have to go past the stops and not pick up any more passengers.

Given that London has the best public transport system in the UK, why is anyone using a car to get into central London.

Whether you like it or not the gross polluting car is going to be taxed into oblivion. Better to think of your options sooner rather than later.
I was just thinking of mine as I poured another tank of Bio-diesel in a short while ago..

 

[recycled]

http://business.scotsman.com/transport.cfm?id=1176412007

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4285663.stm

 

[nick mercedes]

The train service is excellent, and it is cheap outside the morning peak. A one day off peak Travelcard costs me £7.80, and gets me anywhere in Zones 1-6.

In other european cities tube/metro travel is far cheaper.

How have we ended up like this?

 

[recycled]

Anyway dieselman does the bio fuel thing work in every diesel car or does it need modifying?

 

[Dieselman]

TFL has done absolutely nothing for London except make it bloody expensive to get through and to pay a load of wasters an awfully big wage at the expense of suckers like us.

So don't fall into the gross polluter catagory, that way you will pay less. it's really simple.

 

[marcos]

No offence but my Great Grandad was not blown to bits at Passchendale so that some little idiot like Ken Livingstone could tell me what I can and can't drive. I thought the Great War was fought to keep our freedom not so we are governed by pompous little twats with silly voices.

Sorry Dieselman I'm not having a dig at you personally it's just a subject that annoys me to the core.

As for the cost of public transport do not get me started. In Madrid I can spend less that 1 euro to go anywhere in the city in nice clean, modern, efficient busses or tube trains, how come I can't in this country

 

[Dieselman]

Anyway dieselman does the bio fuel thing work in every diesel car or does it need modifying?

Bio-diesel should be Ok in all cars due to the viscosity being the same as pump diesel, and no injector coking issues as the glycerol has been stripped from the oil.
The only exception being Ford who didin't use 'Viton' (teflon) seals until fairly recently. The bio-diesel attacks neoprene O rings.

We have also found that the higher output VW PD engines can suffer on hot starting due to the fuel boiling off when standing and causing vapour lock. This is due to the injectors being burried deep within the head.
We run our 130bhp on 50% as a result.