Lorry drivers &A14

[IanA2]

I think it's called driving

For the life of me Robert, I cannot see why you seem to be defending what is to my mind a serious problem. Aside from the delays it cause people, sometimes considerable, I feel sure this practice contributes to untoward incidents as those behind become frustrated and perhaps less risk averse.

 

[raymont]

I think it's called driving

Yes it's driving. The question is what sort? Good or bad? Considerate or inconsiderate? Intelligent or stupid?

 

[oldcro]

I read it as being about the overtaking antics of wagons in general, across many miles of UK roads.

It may have developed into wagons in general, but the initial post was about a particular 2 mile stretch of motorway.

 

[scumbag]

as those behind become frustrated and perhaps less risk averse.

This is the bit I have trouble with!

Relax.

I have been known to have to drive fast for one reason or another, and the modus operandi is always -"better to be 5mins late in this life, than 30years early in the next"

If those behind had consideration for those in front, we would not get frustrated.

But no matter, it appears that the big bully has to be considerate to all!

I am sorry I am having a bit of a go, but it comes over to me that people want the car to master and overlord of the road. When a car gets a chance it can get past and be away. Have a little patience.

They got there first, allow them to get on with it.

 

[robert.saunders]

For the life of me Robert, I cannot see why you seem to be defending what is to my mind a serious problem.

I'm defending the road user - it doesn't make any difference what vehicle they're in. But to have a vehicle with a varying power output (and load weight) restricted by a rev limiter, it will overtake slower vehicles and it will overtake slower!!

I don't see the problem!!

If other drivers get frustrated by being held up for seconds/minutes and cause an accident because of it then they're a useless driver.

Life really is too short to be so spectacularly precious

 

[robert.saunders]

Yes it's driving. The question is what sort? Good or bad? Considerate or inconsiderate? Intelligent or stupid?

Just driving. I have no idea if you've driven a lorry or been in one. I have, to Italy and back.

Blimey, the first hour or so was boring, driving at the limit. But, after awhile, it was quite relaxing. And yes, we did gain on slower vehicles, and we overtook them. And surprise surprise, we were overtaken too by considerably more powerful wagons; did my driver friend back off? Noooooooooooooo!! Was the engine geared to be most economical in whatever of the million gears it had, at the speed it had to travel? Yessssssssssssss!! Keeping it in the green section of the revs was the thing to do

I'm just trying to impart some live and let live here; despite what many think, a car driver doesn't own the road. Next people will be telling me they park with impunity and knock cyclists off their bikes 'cos they're in the way

Relax folks; it's nice weather

 

[Dieselman]

Keeping it in the green section of the revs was the thing to do

I don't know why car manufacturers don't include this feature on car rev counters for maximum efficiency. Maybe it doesn't look cool enough..?

A simple rule of thumb is to use peak torque revs +1000 -500rpm.

 

[IanA2]

I'm defending the road user - it doesn't make any difference what vehicle they're in. But to have a vehicle with a varying power output (and load weight) restricted by a rev limiter, it will overtake slower vehicles and it will overtake slower!!

I don't see the problem!!

If other drivers get frustrated by being held up for seconds/minutes and cause an accident because of it then they're a useless driver.

Life really is too short to be so spectacularly precious

Perhaps I'm not making myself clear...I'm not talking about slow overtalking, I'm talking about rolling roadblocks in which neither overtakes as such, they just pull out, rumble along for x miles and then pull in, only sometimes overtaking. This can often takes several minutes. On some roads, particularly those leading to major ports, it amounts to an almost permanent block as there are so many doing this. I can't really see why it should acceptable.

That said, I live with it, I just think it's daft slowing everyone else down quite considerably.

 

[robert.saunders]

Perhaps I'm not making myself clear...I'm not talking about slow overtalking, I'm talking about rolling roadblocks in which neither overtakes as such, they just pull out, rumble along for x miles and then pull in, only sometimes overtaking. This can often takes several minutes. On some roads, particularly those leading to major ports, it amounts to an almost permanent block as there are so many doing this. I can't really see why it should acceptable.

That said, I live with it, I just think it's daft slowing everyone else down quite considerably.

Like I say, I guess that's the problem with the limiter, as is. Unless the driver knows how the road lies XXmiles ahead I think it's not gonna go away. I agree; it's not ideal

ps - my precious comment (on re-reading what I wrote), was not directed at you dear Sir, more a generalisation

 

[Subyland]

Is this thread all about a 2 mile stretch of a 130 mile motorway where cars have to slow down a bit? A shining example of patience consideration and thoughtfullness to other road users from some Mercedes owners I must say.

Actually it is the opposite. It is a 2 mile strech out of a 130 mile dual carriage way where lorries are asked to slow down a bit if required and not overtake.

 

[IanA2]

This is the bit I have trouble with!

Relax.

I have been known to have to drive fast for one reason or another, and the modus operandi is always -"better to be 5mins late in this life, than 30years early in the next"

If those behind had consideration for those in front, we would not get frustrated.

But no matter, it appears that the big bully has to be considerate to all!

I am sorry I am having a bit of a go, but it comes over to me that people want the car to master and overlord of the road. When a car gets a chance it can get past and be away. Have a little patience.

They got there first, allow them to get on with it.

I was making an observation, not saying that it made me risk averse, it doesn't.

 

[scumbag]

I was making an observation, not saying that it made me risk averse, it doesn't.

okay. accepted.

But there are a group of people who drive, not unique to this forum, who wnat the roads to themselves. It is there for all.

Nobody has a God given right to drive. You will always get bad truck drivers, bad cyclists, bad caravaners and bad car drivers, but the problem with threads that start out like this, and has happened here, is that people get round the side of the car driver at the expense of other road users.

They read a statement like yours and by the powers if misinterpretation, assume that driving behind a row of trucks increases the frustration they are already in, and it makes them take risks.

The problem did not lie with the trucks in the first place.

If they are in front of you, they are in front.

I know what I am thinking even if I am not finding a way to express it in words.

 

[robert.saunders]

Do you think anyone is ever in front of the queue, in front of everybody?

These things keep me awake at night when nothing else does

 

[nick mercedes]

The problem did not lie with the trucks in the first place.

The problem is because they're limited.

 

[Dieselman]

The problem is because they're limited.

No, because if they were all travelling at the limiter then a more powerful lorry couldn't pass a slower one going up hill anyway.

On safety grounds limiting is a good idea if only to stop tyres shredding due to being driven too fast.

 

[Dieselman]

Do you think anyone is ever in front of the queue, in front of everybody?

No, it's like being on one big roundabout....

 

[nick mercedes]

No, because if they were all travelling at the limiter then a more powerful lorry couldn't pass a slower one going up hill anyway.

One limited to 55, one to 56, one to 56.5, one to 57.....

On safety grounds limiting is a good idea if only to stop tyres shredding due to being driven too fast.

In America trucks do 100mph.

 

[scumbag]

The problem is because they're limited.

so is everyone else.


if they didn't have a 56mph limit, the could do 60mph. your car can only do 70mph!

You are still going to have the same problem.

You learn the speed limits when taking a test. They don't change, but then everyone thinks others should not be on the road. Why not?

Why is everyone in such a rush to get to where they are going that it gives them to right to hold other bona fide road users up just so they can have clear access.

We all have to get along, and we all have a right to use the road. Noboyd has an greater right than others. Truck drivers very rarely driver their trucks just for the pleasure of it. They are heading somewhere and as getting on as best they can.

We should all be more tolerant and considerate to others who have no choice but to use our roads.

 

[scumbag]

In America trucks do 100mph.

you mean australia?

the road trains!

 

[scumbag]

Do you think anyone is ever in front of the queue, in front of everybody?

YES.

Usually in a austin metro, with a flat cap on, and wife knitting next to him. Mirrors have been banished.