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McLaren given suspended 3 race ban

No. I can see where you are coming from.

However I think McLaren were faced with a situation where they expected to get penalised for saying that they had instructed LH to let Trulli past.

And there in lies the sordid truth at the heart of this. Trulli was just collateral damage to McLaren trying to defend themselves against a sick stewarding system. Once heading down that path they were screwed.

The problem with F1 is that it acts like a court. So people behave as if it was a court and present themselves and their cases appropriately. And in McLaren's case the potential punishment has been the equivalent to a court and its reposne to perjury.

The final outcome is a demonstration as to how twisted F1 is. McLaren got off lightly ..... why? Reason 1. Dennis moved away and prostrated themseleves to the autorities so Mosley is a happy bunny as a result. Reason 2. Ferrari are in no position to capitalise (so no behind scenes lobbying for outcome that suits them). Reason 3. They risked McLaren pulling out or backing off this season.

Meanwhile we are left with no signs that the rotten stewarding will ever be sorted.

Which means the 'sport' is just as vulnerable to another mess as it was before this happened.

Agreed.


The stewarding situation must be sorted.

An obvious solution is that there is a fixed stewards panel made up of people with significant real F1 experience, e.g retired drivers, team managers etc.

This panel would attend each race.

They should be tasked with tasked with enforcing the rules and regulations in a consistent and transparent manner. They should clearly explain how they have arrived at their decisions.

They should have to finalise all investigations and confirm the race results within a defined timescale, say with 4 hours of the end of the race.

Their decisions are final, no appeal.
 
They should be tasked with tasked with enforcing the rules and regulations in a consistent and transparent manner. They should clearly explain how they have arrived at their decisions.

They should have to finalise all investigations and confirm the race results within a defined timescale, say with 4 hours of the end of the race.

Their decisions are final, no appeal.

I would take this a bit further and suggest that race results be absolutely confirmed within say 15 minutes of a race apart from post-race scrutineering failures or very exceptional circumstances.

I also think the stewards should take a refereeing role to try and avoid unecessary penalties being incurred. So after the Hamilton-Raikonnen debacle last year they would have intervened immediately to deal with manner in which the place was relinquished back to Raikonnen. So they an order a car to give back a position plus so many car lengths or perhaps or by measurable time gap. (So LH would possibly have been told at Spa to make sure that there was a minimum of a 1s gap between himself and KR when they went past the next timing point). Obviously common sense would have to prevail to deal with complex situations.
 
I would like to think it is justice but what really ghouls me is the fact that McLaren deliberately LIED to get Toyota punished.

A mistake was made by McLaren and they have sacked a very loyal and very honest man who allowed some very silly things to be said, but the actual liar in this case has got away scot free.

McLaren should have been awarded third position and Toyota fourth.

Both teams were guilty of not knowing the rules but McLaren were perhaps more guilty than Toyota, but to lie and try to get Toyota punished for overtaking is one step too far.

The team AND the DRIVER should have been hammered and I am a McLaren fan.

One very loyal, dedicated employee was sacked but the hired driver\liar gets off scot free, and that is wrong. I was NOT impressed by the crocodile tears, good acting, but when you are caught with your hand in the till then be a man, don't cry, stand up and take the punishment. If you cannot do the time, do not commit the crime.




Hi John. Just one thought here. If your emplyee told you to hold back on the truth at the last minute are you sayng you wouldn't follow suit? Especially when that employee is giving you the chance to live your dream AND pay you hansomely for the privilege?

I suppose I'm a fan of lewis and he seemed to have been misguided and a bit stupid. It's all over now so let's get on with what we love to watch :rock:
 
Hi John. Just one thought here. If your emplyee told you to hold back on the truth at the last minute are you sayng you wouldn't follow suit? Especially when that employee is giving you the chance to live your dream AND pay you hansomely for the privilege?

I suppose I'm a fan of lewis and he seemed to have been misguided and a bit stupid. It's all over now so let's get on with what we love to watch :rock:
You are comparing chalk and cheese

We are discussing a driver, who when ordered by his senior race engineer to pull over to let Alonso go by, told that senior engineer to f*** off, then when the owner of McLaren also tried to instruct Hamilton to let Alonso go by, he also received the same amount of abuse and this was during a silly 'burn off' stage of qualifying when no one was even trying to go for a fast lap.

I am saying there is no way that employee could tell Hamilton to do anything during a brief walk to the stewards room that the driver did not want to do.

I am saying that the employee did what was best for the team and took the fall. I am suggesting that this sacking was what was required to get McLaren off the hook.

I am DEFINITELY saying that Hamilton is an habitual liar.

Just remember how he publicly stated how he moved abroad to avoid being harrassed by the British media and then subsequently confessed it was for tax reasons.

Just remember how he is a team player and ALWAYS does as he is told.....

I like the man.... YES he is a man, I like this person as a driver but by crikey he needs to realise that the World does not revolve around him.

Vettel and Sutil are drivers that would jump at the chance of getting behind the nwheel of that McLaren and no driver is irreplacable, especially with this modernformula where the driver input is so minimal.

My own thoughts are that McLaren have for years failed terribly in the PR stakes and they need a much better street wise PR department that can handle these issues in a much better manner.

Just look at all the scandal around thr historical cheating that took place at Ferrari.... It does not stick

They admitted getting confidential information from McLaren, Renault also admitted to have copious amounts of highly sensitive McLaren information but again, nothing stuck. Mclaren are NOT saints, they are as guilty as all the other top F1 teams but they pour petrol onto the flames :)
 

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