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Motorway Madness Continued........

On a similar thread just been on the A55 North Wales Expressway. Counted 3 separate tractors/agricultural trailers toddling along at goodness knows what slow speed.

Why are these things allowed on fast roads like this unrestricted in terms of times allowed? - a daytime curfew should be considered, certainly peak time travel banned.

These guys cause mayhem with cars braking, swerving etc etc. Utter madness and an accident waiting to happen.
 
I was told in no uncertain terms by my instructor and later an examiner that I was under no obligation whatsoever to slow down or to swerve or change lanes in order to allow any car to enter the motorway that I was already on..

Is this wrong?
 
No, its right. But where I'm able I will change lane, but if I can't I maintain my speed.
 
I always try to have filtered into the centre lane (on 3 lane motorway) just before the start of the Exit lane before a Motorway junction. This saves any nasty surprises from traffic coming in on the incoming traffic lane and gives them somewhere to go.
 
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Does any one know if the experiment with the traffic lights on Motorway slip roads has been accepted or scrapped. I have seen these lights but they have not been working. This must surely be one of the most dangerous ideas thought of by the so called road safety experts and must cause problems, for some, on entering a motorway at a suitable speed.
One of the objectives of "Ramp Metering" is to release joining cars into less dense patches of traffic, so maintaining a steady flow and stopping the sudden slowing and ripple effect you can get around slip roads at peaks times. Hence the lights aren't active all the time. That's the theory anyway - whether it works or not is another question - I've never been down a slip road with them turned on (just picked up the info from being involved with other HA work in the past).
 
Motorway driving needs to be incorporated in the driving test. Simple as that.
 
I disagree that motorway driving should be part of the driving test for the following reasons.

First:- Motorway driving is not a special skill, it is just an extension of normal driving.
Having full control of the car, knowing and observing the rules set out in the Highway code and driving with courtesy and consideration for other road users.

Second:-Some driving test centres are at least an hour away from a motorway, so it could be a three hour test.

Third:- The motorway test would only show the examiner one journey on the motorway which may not show the candidates normal driving behaviour.

Fourth:- There will be some people who will never need to use a motorway.

I think it sufficient that the driving instructor and examiner question the driver about motorway driving. The instructor could offer a special post-test lesson should the instructor or driver feel the need.
 
Third:- The motorway test would only show the examiner one journey on the motorway which may not show the candidates normal driving behaviour.

But this is what happens during a normal driving test, just not on the motorway!

Are you suggesting as a corollary that we should drop the actual driving element of the driving test because it "may not show the candidates normal driving behaviour"? Surely not!
 
Sorry, I did not make that point very clearly.
The driver has already done the standard driving test to show that he can control the car, and maintain his driving standards for the duration of the test, so there is little point in having an additional test.
 
Sorry, I did not make that point very clearly.
The driver has already done the standard driving test to show that he can control the car, and maintain his driving standards for the duration of the test, so there is little point in having an additional test.

No apology needed!!

But this is at low speed and usually in a rural setting. There is a world of difference on a motorway when vehicles are coming at you twice as fast, juggernauts are pulling out when you are alongside them or following 3 feet behind you, drivers slowing to near walking-pace because they are approaching their exit, etc.

I know at least 2 people who never drive on motorways because they are frightened witless, but they are very safe drivers on normal roads and make very sensible progress (i.e. they are not 30mph bumblers who hold everyone up, but respect each and every speed limit). The worrying point is that they had to find out themselves how terrifying motorways can be.
 
All of these recent posts remind me of scuba diving, I'm sure there are other similarities with similar sports.

As a PADI standard open water diver you are qualified to dive at a depth up to 18 metres but the more interesting stuff is often much deeper (around 25-30m).

You have all of the technical ability to dive deeper - but lack essential knowledge and actual practical experience counts for a lot..

In this respect it's the same for driving on motorways - you know how to control the vehicle but lack some essential knowledge and practical experience needed for motorway driving safely.

I believe there should be a test for motorway driving so if it's something you need you can do it, if you live an hour way from the nearest - there's a chance that you won't need it.
 
Seen plenty of morons join at 40mph - as you said utter carnage. Seems more common.

*shakes fist* ban them I say :D

It's ok to drive onto a motorway at 40mph though, because as we all know, and as the anti-speed lobby keep drumming into all of us murderous lunatics who use discretion and skill in our driving, speed kills.:wallbash:

There is so much sh*tty driving out there now, that the only way to stay sane is to turn the other cheek and not react to the idiots, whilst keeping a weather eye on them to ensure you don't become part of the carnage they leave in their wake.

Some may be frightened of motorways, but they need to seek training to improve their skill as opposed to putting other road users at risk. Joining a motorway at a speed far below the prevailing traffic conditions on the main carraigeway puts them and three lanes of traffic which have to shuffle about at speed to accomodate them, in danger. Stating the obvious but the driving test really needs to address this.
 
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Not a motorway but a 2-lane dual carraigeway. The slip road that I use to join it, has a side road at the top. PITA when people cut you up and crawl out of the side road and pootle down the slip road. Fine if you're in a powerful car and can get to 70 in seconds, but in my car, I need full power for the full length of the slip road to get to 70. If I see ****holes pulling out in front of me, I slow to a crawl so that the slip road clears in front before I go - those behind me will just have to do the same.
 
I disagree with the OP.

There may have been a reason why the lorry couldn't get up to more than 40 on the slip-road. Was it an uphill slip-road? Was the lorry heavily laden? Was there some other vehicle in front holding him up that you couldn't see?

Whatever the reason, you should have joined the motorway at the appropriate time, even if that then meant being 'stuck' behind the lorry for a few more precious seconds and showed a bit more PATIENCE before asserting your 'right' to get out and hog the middle or outer lane for the rest of your journey.

Chill, man!
 
I disagree with the OP.

There may have been a reason why the lorry couldn't get up to more than 40 on the slip-road. Was it an uphill slip-road? Was the lorry heavily laden? Was there some other vehicle in front holding him up that you couldn't see?

Whatever the reason, you should have joined the motorway at the appropriate time, even if that then meant being 'stuck' behind the lorry for a few more precious seconds and showed a bit more PATIENCE before asserting your 'right' to get out and hog the middle or outer lane for the rest of your journey.

Chill, man!

The OP did not say he was behind a lorry at 40MPH on the slip road.
 
I disagree with the OP.

There may have been a reason why the lorry couldn't get up to more than 40 on the slip-road. Was it an uphill slip-road? Was the lorry heavily laden? Was there some other vehicle in front holding him up that you couldn't see?

Whatever the reason, you should have joined the motorway at the appropriate time, even if that then meant being 'stuck' behind the lorry for a few more precious seconds and showed a bit more PATIENCE before asserting your 'right' to get out and hog the middle or outer lane for the rest of your journey.

Chill, man!
Jeremy, I am the OP, the driver of over 20 different cars, over the 30 years I have been driving. In that time I have learned to tolerate a great deal of insanity with regard to the roads and the road network in general. I have every patience when driving, and believe that I have a very good grasp by now, of the rules of the road, both written and unwritten. When driving on a motorway, you drive at the speed of the flow. the speed limit on the motorway network is 70mph, (with the exception of HGV's, Coaches, Buses etc are limited by law, to a speed that is safe for that vehicle). The vast majority of cars on these roads are capable of far in excess of 70mph, but again are limited to this speed for your safety. There is a fine network of A roads in this country, they were the equivalent of the motorway network in my fathers time, if you prefer to drive at 40mph, then stick to these roads, if you find it frightening to drive on the motorway, then don't go on it. Its ok to be scared of entering a motorway at any more than 40mph, all those big trucks will slow down and let you in, they won't struggle to get past you, at thier limited mph, because you found the strength to get into third gear and hit 50, they won't cause any problems whatsoever in your wake, as they pass you and box you in, holding up the freeflowing traffic behind them, they wont cause the ubiquitous, lane two hogger ( doing 60mph in the second lane) to move into the outside lane (still at 60, I might add) and slow down the third lane traffic, to a crawl, and the ripple effect of progressive braking as the oncoming traffic struggles to fit into an ever decreasing space, massive traffic chaos, and even accidents. Is this the type of motorway network YOU want, all because its ok, and I should chill out. Listen sunshine, the motorway network was designed and built to get Goods and Services, People and thier families, to where they want to go, as quickly and efficiently and safely as is possible. It IS NOT the scenic route to Tesco, NOR is it your own personal drag strip. Take a moment and read through all the posts on this thread, there is some quite inspired reading there. It is not my intention to belittle you in any way shape or form, but DO NOT EVER tell me to CHILL OUT, when I post a thread about the morons who join the motorway network at stupifyingly slow speeds, leaving in thier wake, utter carnage with the potential of causing very real and devastating accidents.
Each and every person with a full driving licence in this country has rights, under law, to drive on the motorway. My point is that not everyone has the moral right, it is not a question of whether they CAN, it is a question of whether they SHOULD !!!, when they can get to exactly the same places via A + B roads. !!!!!

p.s. It wasn't a lorry, it was a car, quite a powerful 3 series BMW actually, driver on the phone, and on a downhill slip-road stretching about a quarter of a mile, junction 6 M61, just the other day.
 
There is a fine network of A roads in this country.... if you prefer to drive at 40mph, then stick to these roads...It [the motorway] IS NOT the scenic route to Tesco.

I seriously wish the majority of drivers on the M25 would learn this, someone said a few years ago that over 70% of the daily drivers on the M25 travel less than 3 junctions.
 
I seriously wish the majority of drivers on the M25 would learn this, someone said a few years ago that over 70% of the daily drivers on the M25 travel less than 3 junctions.

Why is that a problem?
 
Each and every person with a full driving licence in this country has rights, under law, to drive on the motorway. My point is that not everyone has the moral right, it is not a question of whether they CAN, it is a question of whether they SHOULD !!!, when they can get to exactly the same places via A + B roads. !!!!!

p.s. It wasn't a lorry, it was a car, quite a powerful 3 series BMW actually, driver on the phone, and on a downhill slip-road stretching about a quarter of a mile, junction 6 M61, just the other day.

I read this with interest and can I just say that NO motorist has any rights to drive on any road - the driving licence that every driver, regardless of vehicle, SHOULD hold (we know that no everyone does) is a PRIVILEGE not a right. We earned the privilege by taking lessons, passing tests and then driving with care and attention everytime we take said vehicle out. We all know that people who drive like idiots, use phones etc etc should be removed from the roads but because of our ever dwindling Police force, this is simply not going to happen. We all need to just take a moment and look at the bigger picture when driving.

I do agree with your point that there are many drivers out there who certainly should not be driving!

As for chilling out, please don't have a go at people just because they react differently to you - this is a forum after all and these are people's personal opinions and experiences. There really is no need to get irate!

I hope everyone has a safe day today and that someone on high strikes down those bloody annoying drivers who p1ss us all off! lol :D
 

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