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Motorway Madness Continued........

Noodle-Pulp said:
I seriously wish the majority of drivers on the M25 would learn this, someone said a few years ago that over 70% of the daily drivers on the M25 travel less than 3 junctions.
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I thought the M25 was built for a specific reason? To keep people out of London!

The problem with the M25 is that we do not have sufficient East to West (and vice versa of course!) Motorways and as such the easiest way to get from say Ely to Birmingham is M11, M25, M40! This is just an example and I imagine people could come out with many different ones. The M25 has turned into a huge 'hub' so to speak with so many connecting Motorways.

Personally, I blame the Romans for keeping Londinium where it is!! lol
 
neilrr said:
Why is that a problem?
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With more than a few people that join at each junction crawling along at around 40mph when they join... oh what's the use.. read above for people joining motorways at low speeds..
 
kwakdonut said:
The problem with the M25 is that we do not have sufficient East to West (and vice versa of course!) Motorways and as such the easiest way to get from say Ely to Birmingham is M11, M25, M40!
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What's wrong with A14, M6 which is what I use?
 
NormanC said:
What's wrong with A14, M6 which is what I use?
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The Catthorpe junction isn't a design classic. But the rest is OK for me, though I'm on it very early in the morning. I wouldn't want to use it at peak rush hour though as it's busy enough for my liking.
 
The M6 is not a good way to try and praise the motorways of this country. And only the British would try to solve the problem of the busiest motorway in Europe (M6 between M42 and M54) by privately building and then overpricing to death a toll road.

And have you ever tried going from eg Preston to Newcastle, or anything left <-> right above about Manchester, really? It's a nightmare.
 
Under floor heating??
 
Hadrian's Wall :thumb:

Caligula :thumb:

Asterix et Obelix :thumb:

I was going to put The Crucifixion, but I think that counts as a mixed blessing - they made him into a martyr.
 
I forgot, yes, capitalise pronouns when referring to imaginary people :doh:
 
Oily Rag said:
p.s. It wasn't a lorry, it was a car, quite a powerful 3 series BMW actually, driver on the phone, and on a downhill slip-road stretching about a quarter of a mile, junction 6 M61, just the other day.
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OK, I misread your first post. I thought it was a lorry holding you up, but in fact it was slow lorries/other traffic being forced into lane 2 and the knock-on affects that you were concerned about. Trying to do too many things at once. Sorry.

However I do think that there is too much impatience on the roads and your talk of "having to accelerate into the nearest gap, however small" for fear of being stuck behind them and "stay put whilst the rest of the world passes you" would tend to bear this out.

Yes, cars joining the motorway should get up to speed on the slip-lane. Yes, lane discipline is diabolical at times. Yes, no-one should use their phone when at the wheel. But you know what, life ain't perfect, and the sooner we all realise that and CHILL, the less stressful life is and the happier we will all be :).

I have driven in London for the last 30 years and so have probably seen it all when it comes to bad driving (although I am still amazed at times). So a guy pulls out in front and drives like the worst you ever seen. How much does it delay you? 10 seconds, 20 seconds? Is that really so important??
 
jeremytaylor said:
OK, I misread your first post. I thought it was a lorry holding you up, but in fact it was slow lorries/other traffic being forced into lane 2 and the knock-on affects that you were concerned about. Trying to do too many things at once. Sorry.

However I do think that there is too much impatience on the roads and your talk of "having to accelerate into the nearest gap, however small" for fear of being stuck behind them and "stay put whilst the rest of the world passes you" would tend to bear this out.

Yes, cars joining the motorway should get up to speed on the slip-lane. Yes, lane discipline is diabolical at times. Yes, no-one should use their phone when at the wheel. But you know what, life ain't perfect, and the sooner we all realise that and CHILL, the less stressful life is and the happier we will all be :).

I have driven in London for the last 30 years and so have probably seen it all when it comes to bad driving (although I am still amazed at times). So a guy pulls out in front and drives like the worst you ever seen. How much does it delay you? 10 seconds, 20 seconds? Is that really so important??
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Jeremy, I do not wish to upset or make my posts sound argumentative, that is not my intention. That said, if you read the post it quite plainly gives a hypothesis, based upon the irksome behavior of motorway joining morons, who deem it necessary to join the motorway at ridiculously slow speeds. After all, I could'nt quite be joining the motorway behind them and waiting for the world to go by, or accellerating into the nearest gap and on to the outside lane, now could I. My point, quite plainly is, is to get these people off a road, that they are not equipped to drive on. A m-way is a fast moving system of arteries, that fuel the body that is this country. A basis should be set with regard to the MINIMUM speeds on these roads. The idea that you should think I am being delayed by 10 or 20 seconds, and that this is my basis for posting, is, I find, a little offensive. Even more so when you say we should put up with it and CHILL !.

I shall tell you a little story, and may I also dedicate this to all motorcycle riders everywhere.

I joined the m-way network one day, conditions were great, free-flowing traffic, bliss. I happened to be overtaken by a big Kawasaki, he was'nt speeding, he passed and pulled in to the inside lane, I am now behind him, maybe 1/4 mile, in front of him were two trucks (that I could see)at a junction further up the road, a car was coming down the on-ramp/accelleration lane, I could'nt quite believe he was going to pull onto the m-way as there were trucks in his way. He did, the truck at the front pulled out to lane two, the truck behind did the same at the very same moment that the bike did, the bike was accellerating at the time and stuffed himself right into the back of the truck, he fell and skittered across the m-way, his helmet flew off and he slid into the central reservation. I hit my hazards, and pulled the car into the middle lane and stopped to hold up traffic. I was hoping he (the bike rider) had it within him to go limp as he fell off, so as not to cause too much damage to himself, and hoped the fact that his helmet came off was'nt either. As it turned out, I need'nt have bothered, because as I was running to aid this, the only casualty, and an innocent party in what can only be described as carnage. I noticed that the helmet that had come off, also contained his head.
So please do not tell me to chill, or relax, or whatever, I am passing on experiences to people who can interpret just exactly how dangerous it is to drive at all just lately, without the input of poor and sub-standard or timid drivers accessing a m-way network that they are not equipped or qualified to drive. OK
 
Oily Rag said:
I shall tell you a little story, and may I also dedicate this to all motorcycle riders everywhere.

I joined the m-way network one day, conditions were great, free-flowing traffic, bliss. I happened to be overtaken by a big Kawasaki, he was'nt speeding, he passed and pulled in to the inside lane, I am now behind him, maybe 1/4 mile, in front of him were two trucks (that I could see)at a junction further up the road, a car was coming down the on-ramp/accelleration lane, I could'nt quite believe he was going to pull onto the m-way as there were trucks in his way. He did, the truck at the front pulled out to lane two, the truck behind did the same at the very same moment that the bike did, the bike was accellerating at the time and stuffed himself right into the back of the truck, he fell and skittered across the m-way, his helmet flew off and he slid into the central reservation. I hit my hazards, and pulled the car into the middle lane and stopped to hold up traffic. I was hoping he (the bike rider) had it within him to go limp as he fell off, so as not to cause too much damage to himself, and hoped the fact that his helmet came off was'nt either. As it turned out, I need'nt have bothered, because as I was running to aid this, the only casualty, and an innocent party in what can only be described as carnage. I noticed that the helmet that had come off, also contained his head.
So please do not tell me to chill, or relax, or whatever, I am passing on experiences to people who can interpret just exactly how dangerous it is to drive at all just lately, without the input of poor and sub-standard or timid drivers accessing a m-way network that they are not equipped or qualified to drive. OK
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A saddening tale .

No doubt , the person who joined the carriageway continued on his/her way unaware of what had just unfolded behind him/her .
 
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Oily Rag said:
Imagine the scene, you have just driven onto a slip road, and you are confronted by some of the slowest drivers in history, attempting to access the motorway at 40 mph, causing Trucks, Coaches, Vans and Cars, to either slow down or change lanes, knock-on effect of which is, If you are behind them, you have to dodge the retreating traffic and accellerate into the nearest gap, however small, and from there onto the fast lane to get free of the carnage. Or, you join the motorway behind them, and stay put, whilst the rest of the world (or so it seems) passes you, and then make your move. When will these people ever learn to accellerate to the speed of the motorway traffic, and then access the lanes at the same speed, thus causing next to no delay and/or no evasive maneouvres. Irritates the crap out of me this. Subsequently, these morons go on to become the ubiquitous, Lane 2 Hogger. After all, are'nt these lanes actually named Accelleration/Decelleration lanes for this purpose, or am I the only one who thinks that this makes sense.!!!!!!!!:wallbash:
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DO NOT EVER tell me to CHILL OUT
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Wow, there seems to be some anger management issues here. Have you considered a change of car?
 
Oily Rag said:
I shall tell you a little story, and may I also dedicate this to all motorcycle riders everywhere.

I joined the m-way network one day, conditions were great, free-flowing traffic, bliss. I happened to be overtaken by a big Kawasaki, he was'nt speeding, he passed and pulled in to the inside lane, I am now behind him, maybe 1/4 mile, in front of him were two trucks (that I could see)at a junction further up the road, a car was coming down the on-ramp/accelleration lane, I could'nt quite believe he was going to pull onto the m-way as there were trucks in his way. He did, the truck at the front pulled out to lane two, the truck behind did the same at the very same moment that the bike did, the bike was accellerating at the time and stuffed himself right into the back of the truck, he fell and skittered across the m-way, his helmet flew off and he slid into the central reservation. I hit my hazards, and pulled the car into the middle lane and stopped to hold up traffic. I was hoping he (the bike rider) had it within him to go limp as he fell off, so as not to cause too much damage to himself, and hoped the fact that his helmet came off was'nt either. As it turned out, I need'nt have bothered, because as I was running to aid this, the only casualty, and an innocent party in what can only be described as carnage. I noticed that the helmet that had come off, also contained his head.
So please do not tell me to chill, or relax, or whatever, I am passing on experiences to people who can interpret just exactly how dangerous it is to drive at all just lately, without the input of poor and sub-standard or timid drivers accessing a m-way network that they are not equipped or qualified to drive. OK
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It's a difficult judgement call on the OP, I have no HGV driver training so can't comment, though I would have thought it would be very difficult for an HGV to achieve a speed approaching the NSL on the on ramp (disregarding their bieng limited), especially if said on-ramp is on an incline (or do HGV's/7.5 tonners avoid these for that reason?:dk:). Either way, I can't recall a time where an HGV has caused a level of inconvenience on joining a motorway to comment on. For the PLG user on the other hand, the excuse pales. It's a matter of instruction.

One thing I now do regularly is move into lane two whereupon I see the m/ways/junctions merge sign. I do this for the duration of the merging junction for as long as I see fit. Does that mean I'll get flak for that? That might regale me to the ranks of a 'lane hogger' for the time I do that, but at the expense of causing the carnage witnessed by oily-r, I can live with taht.

I've always admired the job that Traffic and first responders do - it's something I wouldn't have the constitution to do (though I had considered it) and threads like this are only a benefit as they cause to question how we use the roads. The cumulative experience on here outweighs that which one would experience on their own. I freely claim not to know the ins and outs of the HC as evidenced in the thread I started : Leaving a Motorway. That's not to say that voicing an opinion on an issue is defunct. In this case it's backed-up with the tragic occurrance experienced by oilyrag.

Sad maybe, but I find threads like these informative and elucidating.
 
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