My w202 c230k track car Help needed
Iain
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Mercedes SLK CLK C Class Exhaust Sports Manifold Header on eBay (end time 31-May-10 15:41:33 BST)
Could be good for another 20 bhp!
Could be good for another 20 bhp!
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Sounds like you are making good progress stripping it out. I bought mine stripped out. Previous owner reckoned 150kg was taken out. It still has dash, air con, sat nav etc. It rose up 15mm with the weight reduction and now has 30mm lowering springs on it.
IME a set of sticky tyres (e.g. Toyo 888) will make the most difference to your cornering speeds.
HTH.
IME a set of sticky tyres (e.g. Toyo 888) will make the most difference to your cornering speeds.
HTH.
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Ive been to the weigh bridge today 1360kilo with spare wheel and Child seat but not me .
under the merc exhaust wise is twin down pipes running into 2 boxes out of that into one long box , i was hoping the two were cats but if you guys say not then i will be having a decat ,,
Unorthadox i know but the exhaust will be coming through the floor and out the door , i guess i could fit a high flow cat seen tham in demon tweeks , As i do want a MOT on it . the reason they are coming out the door A , is ive seen this on some race car or other twin slash cuts and they look crazy , B the centre sectiona and rear box weigh loads iam thinking around 15 + kilo . Anything thats in the car is for sale bar the dash so if anyone needs anything cheap ,, Including glass - front and rear screen let me know .
Thank again for the input
under the merc exhaust wise is twin down pipes running into 2 boxes out of that into one long box , i was hoping the two were cats but if you guys say not then i will be having a decat ,,
Unorthadox i know but the exhaust will be coming through the floor and out the door , i guess i could fit a high flow cat seen tham in demon tweeks , As i do want a MOT on it . the reason they are coming out the door A , is ive seen this on some race car or other twin slash cuts and they look crazy , B the centre sectiona and rear box weigh loads iam thinking around 15 + kilo . Anything thats in the car is for sale bar the dash so if anyone needs anything cheap ,, Including glass - front and rear screen let me know .
Thank again for the input
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The last post was meant to say EXCEPT front and rear screen ...
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I thought the post was some sort of joke when I read ‘C230K track car’ and then read “See i have a friend who Chips Tractors”
If you are serious, can I genuinely ask why you chose that type of car for a track day toy? I’ve had track bikes for years and have always wondered what a track day in a car would be like - but I would of thought you’d want twice as much power, or half the weight, or both! I think my 320CDI has more power and torque than that!
If you are serious, can I genuinely ask why you chose that type of car for a track day toy? I’ve had track bikes for years and have always wondered what a track day in a car would be like - but I would of thought you’d want twice as much power, or half the weight, or both! I think my 320CDI has more power and torque than that!
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Clearly we are from different worlds ,
Yes i have an Agricultural background which iam proud of so letting someone chip my merc for under £200.00 mapped to work with the pulley kits and other Mods make total sense to me i dont need bid brand pricing to achieve the same power
Chipping tractors is now big business as higher hp means more output per hour with bigger implements ,without the cost of going up a tractor size giving farmers typical saving of £3-5k .
If you are / were a track day biker then your post makes total sense to me , I could walk over the road from my house spend £10.000 and have a Bike powered roller skate weighing 500 kilos and 60 in 3 seconds but theres no fun in that for me ,i see saxos and a like on track days they have big grins and fun i guess its what you make it not just how much money you throw at it ,
It will be as much fun making my car as driving it , and 26o hp per ton is not bad ,
I think if you look at the weight of your car to power output you maybe more than a bit over the top . anyway 1 negative against 20 what ever positive is cool .
Should the 2.3 prove not quick enough there is endless options but as a base iam happy with the little C class I guess time will tell
w210 oil burner is apparently 194hp and weighs in at 1829 Kg that'll be 1/2 ton more weight now when i shave it to under a ton you will be nearly pulling 2 of mine along with 60 less Hp ???
Anyway thanks for the input
Yes i have an Agricultural background which iam proud of so letting someone chip my merc for under £200.00 mapped to work with the pulley kits and other Mods make total sense to me i dont need bid brand pricing to achieve the same power
Chipping tractors is now big business as higher hp means more output per hour with bigger implements ,without the cost of going up a tractor size giving farmers typical saving of £3-5k .
If you are / were a track day biker then your post makes total sense to me , I could walk over the road from my house spend £10.000 and have a Bike powered roller skate weighing 500 kilos and 60 in 3 seconds but theres no fun in that for me ,i see saxos and a like on track days they have big grins and fun i guess its what you make it not just how much money you throw at it ,
It will be as much fun making my car as driving it , and 26o hp per ton is not bad ,
I think if you look at the weight of your car to power output you maybe more than a bit over the top . anyway 1 negative against 20 what ever positive is cool .
Should the 2.3 prove not quick enough there is endless options but as a base iam happy with the little C class I guess time will tell
w210 oil burner is apparently 194hp and weighs in at 1829 Kg that'll be 1/2 ton more weight now when i shave it to under a ton you will be nearly pulling 2 of mine along with 60 less Hp ???
Anyway thanks for the input
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I thought the post was some sort of joke when I read ‘C230K track car’ and then read “See i have a friend who Chips Tractors”
If you are serious, can I genuinely ask why you chose that type of car for a track day toy? I’ve had track bikes for years and have always wondered what a track day in a car would be like - but I would of thought you’d want twice as much power, or half the weight, or both! I think my 320CDI has more power and torque than that!
Clearly we are from different worlds ,
Yes i have an Agricultural background which iam proud of so letting someone chip my merc for under £200.00 mapped to work with the pulley kits and other Mods make total sense to me i dont need bid brand pricing to achieve the same power
Chipping tractors is now big business as higher hp means more output per hour with bigger implements ,without the cost of going up a tractor size giving farmers typical saving of £3-5k .
If you are / were a track day biker then your post makes total sense to me , I could walk over the road from my house spend £10.000 and have a Bike powered roller skate weighing 500 kilos and 60 in 3 seconds but theres no fun in that for me ,i see saxos and a like on track days they have big grins and fun i guess its what you make it not just how much money you throw at it ,
It will be as much fun making my car as driving it , and 26o hp per ton is not bad ,
I think if you look at the weight of your car to power output you maybe more than a bit over the top . anyway 1 negative against 20 what ever positive is cool .
Should the 2.3 prove not quick enough there is endless options but as a base iam happy with the little C class I guess time will tell
w210 oil burner is apparently 194hp and weighs in at 1829 Kg that'll be 1/2 ton more weight now when i shave it to under a ton you will be nearly pulling 2 of mine along with 60 less Hp ???
Anyway thanks for the input
Wow, damn! That was very well articulated
An excellent response. No dig at you Matt's Dad 
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Clearly we are from different worlds ,
Yes i have an Agricultural background which iam proud of so letting someone chip my merc for under £200.00 mapped to work with the pulley kits and other Mods make total sense to me i dont need bid brand pricing to achieve the same power
Chipping tractors is now big business as higher hp means more output per hour with bigger implements ,without the cost of going up a tractor size giving farmers typical saving of £3-5k .
If you are / were a track day biker then your post makes total sense to me , I could walk over the road from my house spend £10.000 and have a Bike powered roller skate weighing 500 kilos and 60 in 3 seconds but theres no fun in that for me ,i see saxos and a like on track days they have big grins and fun i guess its what you make it not just how much money you throw at it ,
It will be as much fun making my car as driving it , and 26o hp per ton is not bad ,
I think if you look at the weight of your car to power output you maybe more than a bit over the top . anyway 1 negative against 20 what ever positive is cool .
Should the 2.3 prove not quick enough there is endless options but as a base iam happy with the little C class I guess time will tell
w210 oil burner is apparently 194hp and weighs in at 1829 Kg that'll be 1/2 ton more weight now when i shave it to under a ton you will be nearly pulling 2 of mine along with 60 less Hp ???
Anyway thanks for the input
Yes, I still ride on the track - and I too love the feeling of having something a fraction of the price of most people on the track, but still going past them. Last time I was at Brands, they had a track evening for cars, and the small kit car types looked great fun, and it is something I’d like to try sometime.
I hope you get on really well with it, and I’d love to see the progress - but as for comparing our 2 cars, it was merely an example of my school run bus compared to your track day tool.
And so you understand where I’m coming from, this was your figures quoted, with my cars figures next to - and my car, although is nice to drive, would be for me, boring on the track
Power is 190hp - mine 204
Torque is 207 lb's - mine 369
1420 kilo - mine 1735
134 bhp per ton at present - mine 118
142 mph - mine 151
0-60 in 8.4 - mine 7.5
As I said, I wish you well - and I probably didn't explain myself well enough, but isn't there a better base model for the same value to sart off with?
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i always dreamed of doing this with a c280... the I6.. please post pics of your progress any benz track car gets respect from me..
i think this would be great for a track car also in a artical in mercedes mag there where a bunch of guys who had 202's as track cars.. striped out basicly what your doing one tip they gave was to steer clear of the update version as it has traction as standered and more weight.. but you seem to have stuff under controll.. good luck mate
i think this would be great for a track car also in a artical in mercedes mag there where a bunch of guys who had 202's as track cars.. striped out basicly what your doing one tip they gave was to steer clear of the update version as it has traction as standered and more weight.. but you seem to have stuff under controll.. good luck mate
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The guy in cardiff your on about is a Jamie i believe he works for mercedes and is a friend of the friend with the 635 track car ,
Mine did have the annoying traction control on but i found if you unplug a abs sensor in the boot it turns it off and also turns off the abs Double bonus , So iam going to simply put a switch in the front to disrupt the circuit for when it want it on or off Dry / wet i figured ,
Ive found a bucket seat but can find no where who make cages for the merc , just a simple rear cage in the rear so thats going to be a custom job ,
Iam wondering if i can find a lsd or pherhaps a diff from one of the smaller mercs like a c180 , if i can use the diff and casing swops should be quick and easy , from experiance of once putting a 1300cc diff on a 1600cc escort the difference was amazing , topspeed is gone but acceleration was blistering for a non performance car, I wonder if this would work i could sacrifice 20-30mph topend for a bit more low down , i also wondered about just bridging the electro clutch and wire it to a switch so i can feed it power from tickover the ecu should auto compensate i guess , I think its worth a try , I have had a look around and can source some engines just incase i get a bit excited and endup killing one .
I do need either new brakes alround or bigger brakes but iam no expert with brakes , but the ones on it are no good ive found out i can get major fade without much effort ,
Iam going to fit some of my track day cameras to the merc so when its all done you can all have a drive in it (virtually of course ) LOL
Mine did have the annoying traction control on but i found if you unplug a abs sensor in the boot it turns it off and also turns off the abs Double bonus , So iam going to simply put a switch in the front to disrupt the circuit for when it want it on or off Dry / wet i figured ,
Ive found a bucket seat but can find no where who make cages for the merc , just a simple rear cage in the rear so thats going to be a custom job ,
Iam wondering if i can find a lsd or pherhaps a diff from one of the smaller mercs like a c180 , if i can use the diff and casing swops should be quick and easy , from experiance of once putting a 1300cc diff on a 1600cc escort the difference was amazing , topspeed is gone but acceleration was blistering for a non performance car, I wonder if this would work i could sacrifice 20-30mph topend for a bit more low down , i also wondered about just bridging the electro clutch and wire it to a switch so i can feed it power from tickover the ecu should auto compensate i guess , I think its worth a try , I have had a look around and can source some engines just incase i get a bit excited and endup killing one .
I do need either new brakes alround or bigger brakes but iam no expert with brakes , but the ones on it are no good ive found out i can get major fade without much effort ,
Iam going to fit some of my track day cameras to the merc so when its all done you can all have a drive in it (virtually of course ) LOL
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Well
Oh yes, I love the feeling of having some bright coloured, chavved up, buzz box sitting on my bumper, in the outside lane as we’re passing traffic - then as I pull away from them, leaving them with a bit of smoke, just to confirm - yes that was a Diesel
Oh yes, I love the feeling of having some bright coloured, chavved up, buzz box sitting on my bumper, in the outside lane as we’re passing traffic - then as I pull away from them, leaving them with a bit of smoke, just to confirm - yes that was a Diesel
I love doing the same in a great big van
Without going into things too much, your car will never be faster than a W202 C230K.
Here's my old 230k for your enjoyment! It was stock when i did this, but i eventually got it to around 237bhp at the crank.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDa4v3u8_6Y
Who knows?! If i manage to buy it back a year or 2 down the line i could turn it into a track car....
w124amg: good luck with your car!! if you need to know any of the mods I did on mine (if it will help) i would gladly list them out for you!
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The point of no return
Ive started at the front of the car this morning and pulled off lots of plastic and the grille centre , the air con pump looks tricky as i will have to source a much shorter belt removing the air con rad and piping looks worthwhile , ill be able to use the air con fans as fans for the rad , So i can loose the power sapping viscous unit .
Ive plans for a new intercooler similar size but deeper bringing it out into view and as ive not yet found the oil cooler ( surely theres one somwhere )
Iam going to put one down in the same area as the intercooler . The actual 1360 kilo that the car weighed on the weighbridge yesterday is now Minus another 11 kilo inc bonnet sound deadening and all the bits of plastic air box was over a kilo ..
I wont keep on with the weights it will get rather tedious ill just keep pulling bits off . Another bonus to getting the car lighter is i can trailer it to elvington ( 30 mile away ) on the back of my hiace without been over weight :bannana:
Has anyone done away with there Dual mass flywheel i want minimal mass keep it rev happy ?
I did have an idea of still using the Aircon system but having a heat exchanger style intercooler piped with the air con fluid i guess it would be a bit like have one of those water spray bars on your intercooler without the dripping ! . I think there is such a thing called cryofusion this is just a pipe dream and a way of not having to find a new belt to keep the power steering and alt / w pump going but worth looking at i think with a simple termostat pherhaps the one in dash at the minute i could view and flick on the air con to lower boost temp , I know its a failing of S chargers .
Interior is this afternoons project hopefully all will come out ok need to get the air bag wheel off and get an adaptor so i can fit a sparco or alike time to trawl ebay for 10
Ive started at the front of the car this morning and pulled off lots of plastic and the grille centre , the air con pump looks tricky as i will have to source a much shorter belt removing the air con rad and piping looks worthwhile , ill be able to use the air con fans as fans for the rad , So i can loose the power sapping viscous unit .
Ive plans for a new intercooler similar size but deeper bringing it out into view and as ive not yet found the oil cooler ( surely theres one somwhere )
Iam going to put one down in the same area as the intercooler . The actual 1360 kilo that the car weighed on the weighbridge yesterday is now Minus another 11 kilo inc bonnet sound deadening and all the bits of plastic air box was over a kilo ..
I wont keep on with the weights it will get rather tedious ill just keep pulling bits off . Another bonus to getting the car lighter is i can trailer it to elvington ( 30 mile away ) on the back of my hiace without been over weight :bannana:
Has anyone done away with there Dual mass flywheel i want minimal mass keep it rev happy ?
I did have an idea of still using the Aircon system but having a heat exchanger style intercooler piped with the air con fluid i guess it would be a bit like have one of those water spray bars on your intercooler without the dripping ! . I think there is such a thing called cryofusion this is just a pipe dream and a way of not having to find a new belt to keep the power steering and alt / w pump going but worth looking at i think with a simple termostat pherhaps the one in dash at the minute i could view and flick on the air con to lower boost temp , I know its a failing of S chargers .
Interior is this afternoons project hopefully all will come out ok need to get the air bag wheel off and get an adaptor so i can fit a sparco or alike time to trawl ebay for 10
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adam 230k id love any info on tuning thanks
Matt's Dad
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And no one has still answered my first question
is it a good base for a track car? or is there a better alternative for the money?As I've said twice now, I am genuine when I ask questions, even if they are not popular. I could kiss the OP's ass, but that wont make me understand what is needed for such a project.
I haven't driven a car on track, but it's something I'd like to try - with as little time, effort, and money as possible - just so I'd know if it's something I'd like to continue with
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my thoughts on a track car
I think the base for a track car can be what ever you want really within reason i chose the c class over my old w124 because of weight and that its manual . They says there many a race lost in the corners and straight line power soon sucomes to g force in the bends on heavy stuff .
The track days near me arent all porsches and caterhams theres loads of home build stuff , i Like the idea of built not bought Then when i breaks you made it shoudl should have a chance at fixing it .
Iam happy with the choice and i guess my lap times will tell i think javelin track days list times which is who i will be using so the proof will be the print out ,,
good handling and stiff chassis low weight good power good tuning options
plenty of time and some money is the guide iam following that other track dayers have given me
theres a few with 190e cosworths but they are slower than the c class from what i have seem both in cornering and on full power .
From the days when i used to trade at Santapod i remember there was many a suprise on the strip little crx's screaming past skylines most of it was down to driver with some of it obviously in tuning and setup .
Iam hoping i can get to drive Donnington , Silvertsone , and others in the car over the next few years so for me its a bit of a childhood dream becoming reality now i can afford to do it .
I think the base for a track car can be what ever you want really within reason i chose the c class over my old w124 because of weight and that its manual . They says there many a race lost in the corners and straight line power soon sucomes to g force in the bends on heavy stuff .
The track days near me arent all porsches and caterhams theres loads of home build stuff , i Like the idea of built not bought Then when i breaks you made it shoudl should have a chance at fixing it .
Iam happy with the choice and i guess my lap times will tell i think javelin track days list times which is who i will be using so the proof will be the print out ,,
good handling and stiff chassis low weight good power good tuning options
plenty of time and some money is the guide iam following that other track dayers have given me
theres a few with 190e cosworths but they are slower than the c class from what i have seem both in cornering and on full power .
From the days when i used to trade at Santapod i remember there was many a suprise on the strip little crx's screaming past skylines most of it was down to driver with some of it obviously in tuning and setup .
Iam hoping i can get to drive Donnington , Silvertsone , and others in the car over the next few years so for me its a bit of a childhood dream becoming reality now i can afford to do it .
