New merc's security

[Dieselman]

I have never seen or heard of the latest modern Mercedes being driven off without the thief having the keys.

It happened on this forum a while ago, CLK cabriolet. It can be done.

Fortunately the owner had left a phone in the car and used Followus to find it.

 

[GrahamC230K]

As Glojo said early on, unless the insurance stipulate or offer a financially viable discount for it, don't bother.

The car taken with the keys has to be the biggest threat. Luckilly I have not read and hope I never read the of any car jacking reports from our members. However I can't say the same for the Audi RS forum I am a member of. Sadly being dragged from your car outnumbered and having a knives waved at you to tell them where the tracker is not unheard of, not an isolated incident. In this situation, do you want a tracker or not? Chances are if you have one you may not know where it is. The idea is you shouldn't know, but I bet you wish you did.

 

[ibrar]

I once heard from a friend, that in Germany there has been a tendancy to get a radio/IR scrambler which allows you to start any car with a laser cut key....

 

[robert.saunders]

My friend was 'van-jacked' in Nottingham late last year (he was driving a brand new Sprinter funnily enough). The would-be jacker didn't realise my friend is rather tall and well built; the jacker was arrested after being restrained and may have suffered a broken bone in the process.

I don't condone violence in any way shape or form, and it's hard to say how anyone would react in those circumstances. Would my friend do such a thing again, or simply let the jacker drive off? Who knows. He certainly doesn't. Scary tho' innit

 

[glojo]

My friend was 'van-jacked' in Nottingham late last year (he was driving a brand new Sprinter funnily enough). The would-be jacker didn't realise my friend is rather tall and well built; the jacker was arrested after being restrained and may have suffered a broken bone in the process.

I don't condone violence in any way shape or form, and it's hard to say how anyone would react in those circumstances. Would my friend do such a thing again, or simply let the jacker drive off? Who knows. He certainly doesn't. Scary tho' innit

Sorry to hear about that, as soon as our Sprinter reaches 10kph all the doors lock. It would ber weird if someone tried 'van-jacking our stretched limo

Regards
John

 

[Dieselman]

Sorry to hear about that, as soon as our Sprinter reaches 10kph all the doors lock. It would ber weird if someone tried 'van-jacking our stretched limo

Worse than any rotoweiller eh..

 

[hawk20]

For the money you have spent, it would be silly not to. Also consider gap insurance

We all differ. I think gap insurance is the biggest rip off since, well, since trackers really.

 

[maddog]

It would be interesting to do a quick poll to see how many on this forum have had cars stolen. I'm sure that the perceived threat is far higher than the actual stats (touch wood)...

Media and insurance companies like us to be fearful. I had an alarm/immobiliser fitted to the bike as it was the only viable way to insure it - had this not been the case, I would take my chances.


Ade

Did you know 100 bikes are stolen EVERY day in the UK most are never seen again and most probably have alarm/imobilisers as its an insurance condtion nowadays

Telling someone how you can steal a new MB on a forum would be a pretty irresponsible thing anyhow so i doubt we are going to get a lowdown on how its done

 

[glojo]

Worse than any rotoweiller eh..

Far, far worse

REgards
John

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[verytalldave]

The easiest and most cost effective thing you can do is not to leave your spare key at home when unoccupied. I NEVER do. My spare key is kept elsewhere.
There are other cars which attract greater attention from the lightfingered brigade. Such as Porsche, Ferrari, etc, etc. Its those that are at greater risk - and those at the other end of the scale such as older Fiestas and Escorts. But thats only because they easy pickings.

 

[merc man]

put it this way i needed a key/blade for my vw golf mk4, everywhere said they could not cut one as it required a special machine, i got one cut for £8 on ebay via a picture, 3 days later it arrived apparently it can also be cut without a picture just a key number! and the fob part is easily programmed to the car but it wont start without the transponder part which is logded in the original key, but this system can be disabled via vw or someone with the right equipment, thats one of the reasons i got a merc, living in south london car crime is high, most my mates have had a car stolen or broken in to!
id rather have the car broken in to and not stolen, than stolen and given back.

 

[sexyboy_msm]

merc man i agree. Its much better to have the car there than worry about where it could be and when you will get it back! Im also from london, west london to be exact, and car crime can be terrible at times. Especially the jelous ****ers whom key and scratch mercs. One of the reasons I went for the SLK was because of the metal folding roof. I would have loved a CLK cab, but you see kids as young as 12 carrying knives on them and a quick slash through a soft top is a very expensive repair bill.

But I feel confident enough now that the merc security system is enough as long as I park the car i the right places and keep the keys well out of reach. Also the idea of parking with the wheels facing towards the kerb is a good idea too.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Sorry to hear about that, as soon as our Sprinter reaches 10kph all the doors lock. It would ber weird if someone tried 'van-jacking our stretched limo

They wouldn't dare John, with those tinted windows they wouldn't know who's going to jump out - could be the local riot police!!

 

[glojo]

put it this way i needed a key/blade for my vw golf mk4, everywhere said they could not cut one as it required a special machine, i got one cut for £8 on ebay via a picture, 3 days later it arrived apparently it can also be cut without a picture just a key number! and the fob part is easily programmed to the car but it wont start without the transponder part which is logded in the original key, but this system can be disabled via vw or someone with the right equipment, thats one of the reasons i got a merc, living in south london car crime is high, most my mates have had a car stolen or broken in to!
id rather have the car broken in to and not stolen, than stolen and given back.

Hi Merc Man,
I'm sure your correct in what you are saying and have experience of but I doubt it bears any relevance though to the very modern systems on our cars? (question, not statement)

DansSLK is an extremely knowledgable person and his post on this topic is well worth your attention.

Regards
John

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[merc man]

Hi Merc Man,
I'm sure your correct in what you are saying and have experience of but I doubt it bears any relevance though to the very modern systems on our cars? (question, not statement)

DansSLK is an extremely knowledgable person and his post on this topic is well worth your attention.

Regards
John

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i understand what you are saying, and i totally respect your views, but in such a high tech society the criminals are always one step ahead, DansSLK is totally right but then look at the number of cracked stars diagnostics systems floating about, it was at first impssible to enable tv in motion and now it can be done in non-merc places, such as with a man and a van with a laptop, and as most of the cars are software based there surely must be someway around it, in form of a patch or testing mode,
Its a very good point for me to do some research on when im on nights and have nothing better to do!

 

[glojo]

Its a very good point for me to do some research on when im on nights and have nothing better to do!

I seriously look forward to your input as I have read of a university managing to clone an individual key, BUT they needed the olriginal to do it which kind of defeats the object.

If we break into a 211 will the immobiliser activate and what effects will this have?.

Don't forget merc man that there is no metal key with our modern vehicles so trying to buy one off Ebay might see you wasting a few pounds.

A couple of years ago the Metropolitan Police congratulated themselves on cracking a huge car stealing ring that specialized in staeling E-class Mercedes-Benz. This publicity was circulkated World-wide but never let the truth spoil a good story and now folks assume that a modern 210, or 211 is easy to steal Nothing could be further from the truth, BUT it would be foolish to assume criminals will never get the tecnology to replicate a key, one day it might happen, but why bother when you can break into a house, car jack or lift a vehicle onto a flat bed. We are NOT talking about a car with a metal flip key, or standard ignition key, we are specifically talking about these modern Merecedes with the latest technology.

I have read a few claims saying how it 'can be done' but talk is extremely cheap and of course meaningless.

I sincerely wish you luck and if you do manage to unlock, successfully start the engine and drive a 211 away without using the legitimate key then I for one will buy you a pint and offer my congratulations.

Regards
John

 

[Dieselman]

The car gang were stealing older Mercs, circa W124 and W123 cars.

You can't readilly start a Das3 merc as an opportunist thief, but it can be done.

Best not to cover how but pretty well all cars now are just electronic devices..

 

[television]

Ordinary keys of the DAS 3 type do not have any info that can be taken out or used in STAR, and star cannot be used to program a key.

As I said earlier, STAR will marry your keyless go cards, but there is no readable/ usable data on STAR for this, other than to program the keyless go cards.

To get cars onto a flatbed is hard unless you force the gear shift lever out of park

 

[glojo]

The car gang were stealing older Mercs, circa W124 and W123 cars.

Correct but never let the truth spoil a good story. We all believe what the media tell us.

Regards
John

 

[DansSlk]

A DAS (Star diag) wont really help you in stealing a car thats not what it's designed for its meant to work with the components not against them so as i said before its not going to be doing a thief any favours on the side of the road, big roadblocks being time and power as Malcolm said to do anything meaningful you need lots of them so unless the thief sets up camp outside your house for a while with a coffee maker and a generator he's going to struggle and thats before he starts to argue with the computers.

Adding new keys can be done without the DAS its the same with Keyless Go but again its all very carefully designed to protect against misuse.

But as i said in my last post nothing is impossible, this however is close enough.

Malcolm, I don't wanna give the game away so I'm trying to be careful how i word this bit (not that I'm saying anything that your average thief does not already know) but to see a good way to move the car without taking it out of P or setting off the inclination alarm go to www.nasa.gov then go to the KSC section of the site open the media library and search for OPF rollover.