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NOx - Understanding How Many Of Us

Hi Guys, my 03/2015 CLS 220d BlueTec has been throwing the EML light intermittently since the end of March. A scan with Snap-on Solus Ultra is showing error codes P220F77, P229F92, P22A021, P229F91 and P229F85. Up to now I've just bought a £10 scanner off ebay and been clearing the code (P2200), happens about once every third journey, but I think it's time I got it sorted. Car has FMBSH, 45,000 miles, last serviced in November when I was told a software update was performed, also has a current service plan. I have 2 questions, number one, is it worth trying the dealers (MB Stoke) or should I go straight to the local indie (Merx, also in Stoke) and secondly if I go the dealer route how do I handle it? Do I go in humble, plead poverty and ask if any goodwill is available or do I go in informing them that I am aware that their is a serious problem with the Nox sensors and that they are being replaced FoC ?
As an aside can anyone confirm or deny if any coding is required if I were to replace the offending sensor myself?
Thanks in advance guys, as always your advice is much appreciated.
Cheers
Steve
Hi All, Sorry it's taken a while to give you an update but cutting to the chase I had a long argument with both the dealer and customer service but got no goodwill what so ever. When I queried on what grounds it was refused everyone went stone deaf and I never got an answer. Failure was the 2nd Nox (the one after the Cat) and the bill was £642. New sensor is warrantied for 2 years apparently. My gut feeling is still that the new firmware update has "tightened" the parameters to make the engine more compliant and is probably the root cause of the failure. Don't know if anyone else has had the same experience but mpg was significantly better when the MiL was on!
 
so i have the nox sensor error on my mercedes after getting the error code checked at my local garage.

I've seen countless posts online about NOx sensor fault on mercedes and the cost to replace is ridiculous. My car is a c250d coupe 2017. warranty ended last year. is there no way to get Mercedes to fix this? ive heard some Mercedes dealers fixing this out of warranty

any advice appreciated
 
There seems to be no “hard and fast” rules in place.

The local dealer will approach MB and a make a case. The decision is approved/not by MB.

People with recently expired FSH have been turned down whilst others with cars outside of the network approved, as strange as this seems.

If you have to fund the repair then anticipate £800-1500. Not ALL indies are upto the task.

Some owners (seemingly) have had the issue programmed out to bypass the fault. (Unsure over the morals and ethics of this approach. Conversely, MB have released flawed designed cars/components into the market. In my opinion all affected cars should be rectified free of charge. Whilst “dieselgate” has a lot to answer for – why is the consumer being penalised for “greedy” car companies).

To add more fun into the mix – dealers are struggling to get hold of sensors, as are on back order.
 
I have a 2015 W205 which I bought secondhand (admittedly not from MB approved). Shortly after the warranty expired I got the engine light on and fault code P220162. MB dealer quoted £1200. MB, through the dealer, refused any good will replacement or contribution. Found an independent (with STAR) who replaced both NOx sensors and did the software change for £700. Also, dealer told me that the independent would use the wrong part numbers even though MB's own STAR system stated that the resolution was to use that particular part number. In addition, the independent gave me the STAR printout so I could see what was going on but MB dealer refused to provide any information on the diagnostic saying that the information was not for customers. Not at all impressed with MB dealer service (LSH Stockport).
service at stockport is shocking took me 3 goes to get right part,and no apology.
 
Got the same problem with my 15 plate ML250. Took my car to Chesea MB for diagnosis and replacement of 2 Nox with upgrade(previous software updated done before and not sure what this update is for?) asked for almost 1000 pounds. Telling me no warranty over warranty. Obviously, it is a known and design issue and anyway we can request MB to recall it? Saw some legal firm ads like

Join the Mercedes-Benz emissions claim today by Leigh Day.​

Anyone tried it and are they really helpful?

Regards,
i joined and the details they wanted where very intrusive so never sent them,they will make more money than anyone.
 
my merc is a e220cdi blue effiency 2009 plate does this affect my model,never had a recall from mercedes and had it for 7 years just replaced the dpf sensor. and turbo boost sensor.
 
service at stockport is shocking took me 3 goes to get right part,and no apology.

Ever since they moved to the £65M "gin palace" it has been atrocious.

Even though I try to spend money in the local economy, mail order most of my MB items these days because Stockport are just dire.
 
I have a 2015 petrol C200, only do about 6000 miles per year and already had NOx sensors changed 3 times. EML came on yesterday, I’d put money on it that it’s the NOx sensors again. Waiting on Mercedes dealer phoning me back to answer if it’s something they’ll fix again out of goodwill as it’s clearly a defect, but booked into my own garage to check the fault next week, just in case it’s something else.
It is indeed Nox sensor fault again, MB won’t cover cost this time, so it’s costing me £580 at Ayr dealership (once they eventually get through the backlog!)
 
My EML light had been on for a while now and with the car out of warranty with Mercedes and the prospect of paying them a large fee to diagnose and then having to wait to see if they will cover the cost or them telling me I would have to fit the bill for a part that should last between five to ten years and with only 25K on the clock, surely Mercedes can look at these aspects and just tell me yes we will cover the bill or not. Their entire process makes no sense. I purchased the car outside of the Mercedes network but it still has a full Mercedes Service History and I am on a service plan with them. Thankfully I had an extended warranty with the network I bought the car from and they have agreed to cover the repair.

My MOT was due and with the light on and the part on order which could be possible another few month due to a serious backlog of orders with Mercedes I was left hoping the part would arrive in time to get the part fitted and pass the MOT. The did not happened so I used my MBii scanner to switch off the light, booked with the Mercedes Dealer an MOT as I figured why pay a full diagnosis fee when I can just book an MOT and if it fails they would diagnose the problem for me to establish the problem and then I could see what they can do, a long story short the light remained off and the car passed so it just a wait until the new part arrives. I have switched off the light before and it stays off for about 200 miles and then comes on again.
 
I've had the NOx sensors replaced twice in my C350 petrol, the first time under warranty and the second time with a £1000 goodwill contribution from MB UK. The car is now nine years old so I have no faith in any help from Mercedes and I was reluctant to pay a fortune for them to tell me that I have a fault code that's the same as my cheap code reader tells me.

So I've adopted a different approach. I took the car to an engine mapping specialist in Lincolnshire and they deleted the offending codes from the ECU.

The EML has gone off and stayed off since then and there has been no deterioration in performance. If anything, the petrol consumption has improved - it's now regularly returning over 40mpg on long runs, which is pretty good for a 3.5 litre V6 petrol. I'm not concerned about NOx levels possibly being slightly higher than before because they'll still be well down on even the latest diesels.
 
I have just had my 2015 e class 220 amg (50k) in for software update go to pick up start the car drive 10 yards and the engine light comes on. The dealer puts it straight on their diagnostic…… nox sensor fault !!!!
See you later bye !!
I have shown them information shown below but no financial help offered
A recent example that comes to mind was a 2015 Mercedes E-Class that was brought to the workshop with the customer complaining of a lit engine malfunction warning lamp, but with no starting and/or drivability issues.
As per our normal procedure, we connected our Mercedes diagnostic tester to the vehicle and carried out a full/global diagnostic fault scan and documented our findings. The initial scan showed a fault logged in the engine’s fault memory displaying:
P22AA – Heater of NOx sensor 2 has a malfunction.
A quick check of the circuit operation and some wiring checks against the official wiring diagrams confirmed very quickly that we did in fact have a failed NOx sensor. All fairly simple so far, you would think. Order a new sensor, reset faults, maybe even reset NOx adaptions – job done.

However, it might be worth pointing out that at this stage, we also checked for technical bulletins, as we were already aware of possible modifications to the NOx sensor that required software updates/changes to engine control module software. Yet, there were none listed, so you would presume that you are clear to order and fit a new sensor. You would be right to order a new sensor, as the fault code present and all testing confirmed the sensor had failed and required replacement.
However, without running the manufacturer’s test plan for faults via the dealer tool, you would be unaware of the modification to the sensors. This isn’t listed in technical service bulletins and to make matters worse, if you were to pick up the phone to Mercedes’ parts department and order a new NOx sensor, you would be supplied the original (unmodified) part with no mention whatsoever of the modification, as the manufacturers’ parts system will only have one listing for the NOx sensors and that will be the part number currently fitted to the vehicle.
The official repair that only appears on the guided test routine via the dealer tool is as follows:
1. Perform a retrofit of special equipment code ‘30o’ via Vdoc – requiring dealer tooling and official logins – essentially updating the vehicle specification on the Mercedes servers (Interestingly enough, once this had been completed, the idea was that the official parts server would then list the correct (modified) NOx sensor. However, in reality, we found the server actually updated almost straight away, with the parts system server taking some time to update. The parts department are unable to confirm the correct modified parts until this server update takes place. Luckily, as we had seen the issue before, we were able to order the correct NOx sensors without having to wait)

2. Replace both NOx sensors – Yes both, as the operating speed of the sensors has been modified, and therefore both sensors will be required
3. Reset NOx sensor learnt values
4. Carry out software update for engine, transmission & SCR modules – making sure that the special equipment code (in this case, code ‘30o’) had already been retrofitted, as not only does the software require updating, but the engine and SCR module updates would now also include the technical modification required when fitting the modified NOx sensors
5. Clear all faults
Going back to the original fault code on the initial diagnostic scan of P22AA Heater of NOx sensor, I don’t feel at all confident that we could have correctly diagnosed and rectified this issue without the information obtained via the dealer too – not to mention having access to Vedoc to modify the vehicle specification relevant to this modification.
Even if we had access to the correct modified NOx part numbers, unless we correctly modified the Vedoc server, each and every future purchase of a NOx sensor for this vehicle would include the wrong part number, which would in itself cause the vehicle to log NOx sensor faults.
And, even if we had access to a ‘dealer equivalent’ diagnostic tool that listed the technical aspects of this repair, I am certain we would still not have been able to carry out the correct software updates to include the all-important technical modification.
 
I have just had my 2015 e class 220 amg (50k) in for software update go to pick up start the car drive 10 yards and the engine light comes on. The dealer puts it straight on their diagnostic…… nox sensor fault !!!!
See you later bye !!
I have shown them information shown below but no financial help offered
A recent example that comes to mind was a 2015 Mercedes E-Class that was brought to the workshop with the customer complaining of a lit engine malfunction warning lamp, but with no starting and/or drivability issues.
As per our normal procedure, we connected our Mercedes diagnostic tester to the vehicle and carried out a full/global diagnostic fault scan and documented our findings. The initial scan showed a fault logged in the engine’s fault memory displaying:
P22AA – Heater of NOx sensor 2 has a malfunction.
A quick check of the circuit operation and some wiring checks against the official wiring diagrams confirmed very quickly that we did in fact have a failed NOx sensor. All fairly simple so far, you would think. Order a new sensor, reset faults, maybe even reset NOx adaptions – job done.

However, it might be worth pointing out that at this stage, we also checked for technical bulletins, as we were already aware of possible modifications to the NOx sensor that required software updates/changes to engine control module software. Yet, there were none listed, so you would presume that you are clear to order and fit a new sensor. You would be right to order a new sensor, as the fault code present and all testing confirmed the sensor had failed and required replacement.
However, without running the manufacturer’s test plan for faults via the dealer tool, you would be unaware of the modification to the sensors. This isn’t listed in technical service bulletins and to make matters worse, if you were to pick up the phone to Mercedes’ parts department and order a new NOx sensor, you would be supplied the original (unmodified) part with no mention whatsoever of the modification, as the manufacturers’ parts system will only have one listing for the NOx sensors and that will be the part number currently fitted to the vehicle.
The official repair that only appears on the guided test routine via the dealer tool is as follows:
1. Perform a retrofit of special equipment code ‘30o’ via Vdoc – requiring dealer tooling and official logins – essentially updating the vehicle specification on the Mercedes servers (Interestingly enough, once this had been completed, the idea was that the official parts server would then list the correct (modified) NOx sensor. However, in reality, we found the server actually updated almost straight away, with the parts system server taking some time to update. The parts department are unable to confirm the correct modified parts until this server update takes place. Luckily, as we had seen the issue before, we were able to order the correct NOx sensors without having to wait)

2. Replace both NOx sensors – Yes both, as the operating speed of the sensors has been modified, and therefore both sensors will be required
3. Reset NOx sensor learnt values
4. Carry out software update for engine, transmission & SCR modules – making sure that the special equipment code (in this case, code ‘30o’) had already been retrofitted, as not only does the software require updating, but the engine and SCR module updates would now also include the technical modification required when fitting the modified NOx sensors
5. Clear all faults
Going back to the original fault code on the initial diagnostic scan of P22AA Heater of NOx sensor, I don’t feel at all confident that we could have correctly diagnosed and rectified this issue without the information obtained via the dealer too – not to mention having access to Vedoc to modify the vehicle specification relevant to this modification.
Even if we had access to the correct modified NOx part numbers, unless we correctly modified the Vedoc server, each and every future purchase of a NOx sensor for this vehicle would include the wrong part number, which would in itself cause the vehicle to log NOx sensor faults.
And, even if we had access to a ‘dealer equivalent’ diagnostic tool that listed the technical aspects of this repair, I am certain we would still not have been able to carry out the correct software updates to include the all-important technical modification.
So are you saying its only MB that can do this properly or you at your garage would be doing this ? It all sounds mad.
 
So are you saying its only MB that can do this properly or you at your garage would be doing this ? It all sounds mad.
No this is what I found when researching the problem and I printed it off to give to the mb main dealer. I received a phone call asking if I wanted a quote for changing nox sensor 2 and I referred to the above quote and they clearly say they change both as the communication speed is faster and I have heard nothing back as yet (1 week)
I will be calling the mb main dealer ( kings Lynn) to find out what the problem is ?
 
Interesting - as many Indies are unable to complete the entire works required inclusive of updates. Sure that there will be some that can carry this out BUT the general consensus is that it is biased toward the official dealers.

Would be interesting to hear of Indies who can carry out this repair - as sure many more owners will require it over time.

On a sidenote - noticed my car holding onto 6th (7G box) over the last week/two as the temperatures are dipping resulting in noticeably lower MPG. My car was "repaired" late last year. Noticed a MPG reduction immediately (I know roughly what to expect with winter tyres, winter grade diesel, etc but the fall off was/is definitely post dieselgate upgrade).
 
I’ve an interesting (maybe not) twist on this story insofar as I recently (less than 3 months ago) had my software update done following the EML which was Nox sensor related. Adblue warning came on yesterday so topped up today. Hour later EML comes on. All other thread posters have had this the other way round. Hoping it will clear when I start my 130 mile commute tonight….
 
I’ve an interesting (maybe not) twist on this story insofar as I recently (less than 3 months ago) had my software update done following the EML which was Nox sensor related. Adblue warning came on yesterday so topped up today. Hour later EML comes on. All other thread posters have had this the other way round. Hoping it will clear when I start my 130 mile commute tonight….
Well I tempted fate nicely here. 30 miles into the journey I too got told the engine will no longer start in 500 miles despite having plenty of adblue. Let’s just hope I can get booked in soonish 😭
 
Well I tempted fate nicely here. 30 miles into the journey I too got told the engine will no longer start in 500 miles despite having plenty of adblue. Let’s just hope I can get booked in soonish 😭
Out of interested had you ever drained the adblue tank as i read to drain after 20,000 miles and refill with adblue?
Good luck i hope you get it sorted ok
 
Out of interested had you ever drained the adblue tank as i read to drain after 20,000 miles and refill with adblue?
Good luck i hope you get it sorted ok
I haven’t no, it’s been serviced once through MB since I got it 18 months ago, next one is due in December but I won’t make it to then. It’s - GLC220 67 plate done 50k. Might ask that question of dealership when I book it in. Thank you, will keep the thread posted
 
We seems to have loads of evidence that Merc Nox Sensors are not up to the job so why can't we as a group get some publicity for this in various newspapers. As I've said in many of my posts ... it cost me in the region of £1,500 to have both Nox Sensors replaced on my low mileage (60,000) 2012 ML250
 
Rang main dealer kings Lynn last week for update on quote for nox sensors change
Quote oh sorry you are next on the list I will send the quote today……… one week on nothing. If I could get the part number of nox sensor 2 I am seriously considering buying from xenons4u and fitting myself
 

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