PARIS TO BAN RENTAL E-SCOOTERS

[ChrisEdu]

Paris haven't banned private e-scooters only the rental scheme ones, probably because the rental scooters are left lying around all over the place and cluttering up the pavements. A 35 euro fine had failed to have much impact on the way scooters were parked on the pavements which says something about the rental clientele.

France seems more relaxed about allowing e-scooter use on normal roads and it seems they will continue to be used on the roads. They have always been relaxed about mopeds which 14 year olds can ride without a licence. I'm not sure about insurance, I think it's a requirement even for e-scooters which seems a good thing. I struggle to see how e-scooters can be safe on the roads and think they should use dedicated cycle paths but France is conducting the experiment on the roads so we will see how that works out.

Paris residents vote to ban rental e-scooters | Move Electric.

But then, I believe, the French don't tend to go overboard on 'ealth and safe T. They're approach tends to be more along the lines of, if you choose to do something stupid and get hurt, tough luck, it's your own fault.
Here, the nanny state likes to keep us from making such choices.

 

[pioneercollector]

I doubt if the mindless munter that concocted the idea of using unregulated childs toys on the public highway has actually used one in a built environment, and if he she they them had and still thought that it was a cunning plan then tar and feathers is simply not where near enough of a punishment....

Far too many injuries, if anything it is adding to the general depreciation of the general health of the human being - Why not walk!

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Aren't walking and horse riding the old ways?

Of course. Which is why I walk everywhere.

Won’t see me on one of these things, but i’m happy for others to ride on them.

 

[ChrisEdu]

Of course. Which is why I walk everywhere.

Won’t see me on one of these things, but i’m happy for others to ride on them.

In fact, the really old fashioned way would be swimming.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

In fact, the really old fashioned way would be swimming.

Evolution’s a curious thing, isn’t it ?

 

[ToeKnee]

Evolution’s a curious thing, isn’t it ?

Surely you mean creationism.....

 

[StMarks]

Isn't insurance the answer.?
If these vehicles are so very dangerous, then it stands to reason that they will be accountable for considerable losses/damages to third party's.?
If third party insurance was compulsory, the insurance companies would price their cover according to risk.
Therefore, if they are such a menace as it appears, the policy premiums would be prohibitive wouldn't they.?
The younger, more reckless & less trained the user, the higher that premium would become.
So if every E-scooter could only be activated when TP insurance was in place, there would be vanishingly few buzzing around. Any that were would be accountable for the damage or injuries they caused.

 

[markjay]

If e-scooters are illegal to use on public roads in the UK... then who are they selling these to?

 

[ChipChop]

If e-scooters are illegal to use on public roads in the UK... then who are they selling these to?

Legal to own but can only be used on private land which renders them useless to law abiding citizens.

 

[markjay]

Legal to own but can only be used on private land which renders them useless to law abiding citizens.

Well, the people living around Brent Cross must have acres of private land then....

 

[Petrol Pete]

It tells you something when someone invests in a business like this to cater to such a niche market.

If you sat down and did the maths based entirely on the things you are selling being used legally only by those who have a suitable piece of private land on which to ride a low (and in most cases) suspension slick tyre battery driven toy the maths would not add up .

Unless of course you know full well (nudge , nudge , wink , wink) that the twonk you are selling it to is 100% going to be riding it illegally and you just don't give a fruck.

After all how often does a car salesperson ask the buyer if they have a licence/insurance or will they promise to get a licences and please don't drink and drive...?

All those things are nothing to do with the vendor . The law has to deal with it ....just like the law has to deal with the E-scooters that are being ridden illegally - probably 99% of those sold by places like this - . The vendors here are not the lawbreakers , but most of their customers probably are.

Just filling a gap in the market and making a few bob. Now thats good business.

So you put a little sticker on them saying 'not for use anywhere but in your own back yard' and just carry on.

I might open a gun shop and do the same thing.....then again maybe not .

 

[markjay]

It tells you something when someone invests in a business like this to cater to such a niche market.

If you sat down and did the maths based entirely on the things you are selling being used legally only by those who have a suitable piece of private land on which to ride a low (and in most cases) suspension slick tyre battery driven toy the maths would not add up .

Unless of course you know full well (nudge , nudge , wink , wink) that the twonk you are selling it to is 100% going to be riding it illegally and you just don't give a fruck.

After all how often does a car salesperson ask the buyer if they have a licence/insurance or will they promise to get a licences and please don't drink and drive...?

All those things are nothing to do with the vendor . The law has to deal with it ....just like the law has to deal with the E-scooters that are being ridden illegally - probably 99% of those sold by places like this - . The vendors here are not the lawbreakers , but most of their customers probably are.

Just filling a gap in the market and making a few bob. Now thats good business.

So you put a little sticker on them saying 'not for use anywhere but in your own back yard' and just carry on.

I might open a gun shop and do the same thing.....then again maybe not .

Good point. I checked, and this is from Doctor Scooter's website:

"Is it legal to use an electric scooter in the UK or Ireland?

Yes, electric scooters are legal to own in the UK. It is legal to ride an electric scooter on private land. Local councils have been working with rental providers to test the viability of electric scooters as a safe and effective mode of transport on road. The trial period has been extended until the end of November 2022 so that the most comprehensive evidence possible can be gathered.'

 

[ChrisEdu]

It tells you something when someone invests in a business like this to cater to such a niche market.

If you sat down and did the maths based entirely on the things you are selling being used legally only by those who have a suitable piece of private land on which to ride a low (and in most cases) suspension slick tyre battery driven toy the maths would not add up .

Unless of course you know full well (nudge , nudge , wink , wink) that the twonk you are selling it to is 100% going to be riding it illegally and you just don't give a fruck.

After all how often does a car salesperson ask the buyer if they have a licence/insurance or will they promise to get a licences and please don't drink and drive...?

All those things are nothing to do with the vendor . The law has to deal with it ....just like the law has to deal with the E-scooters that are being ridden illegally - probably 99% of those sold by places like this - . The vendors here are not the lawbreakers , but most of their customers probably are.

Just filling a gap in the market and making a few bob. Now thats good business.

So you put a little sticker on them saying 'not for use anywhere but in your own back yard' and just carry on.

I might open a gun shop and do the same thing.....then again maybe not .

I was going to say it's a bit like the sale of the so called zombie knives etc..

 

[ALFAitalia]

Had to Google that one......!

 

[markjay]

What were youth offenders called in medieval times? Knaves with knives.

I'll get my

 

[Petrol Pete]

Good point. I checked, and this is from Doctor Scooter's website:

"Is it legal to use an electric scooter in the UK or Ireland?

Yes, electric scooters are legal to own in the UK. It is legal to ride an electric scooter on private land. Local councils have been working with rental providers to test the viability of electric scooters as a safe and effective mode of transport on road. The trial period has been extended until the end of November 2022 so that the most comprehensive evidence possible can be gathered.'

The could have made the answer a lot shorter.

A; It is 100% illegal to ride the E-scooter I have just sold to you anywhere in the UK unless it is on private land with the landowners permission.

 

[ChrisEdu]

The could have made the answer a lot shorter.

A; It is 100% illegal to ride the E-scooter I have just sold to you anywhere in the UK unless it is on private land with the landowners permission.

Bad enough the numties on traditional scooters that can't ride safely. I've almost splatter several where they've shot out into the road with any control over what they're doing.