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Police Driving??

What I struggle with is why drive like a complete t*sser if a marked cop car when when it's obvious to all and sundry that there's no acceptable excuse for it?

These people really are worthless parasites.

Rant over!
 
Again sounds like drivers training, could be on a emergency response drivers course, we have the same thing in the fire service, unfortunately the only way to get experience driving fast on busy roads, is to do it for real,
 
I think *** made a complaint about police driving - there is a thread somewhere. They took it quite seriously.

He does seem to have been stopped a couple of times since though:eek:
 
Again sounds like drivers training, could be on a emergency response drivers course, we have the same thing in the fire service, unfortunately the only way to get experience driving fast on busy roads, is to do it for real,

What happens if they cause an incident with an otherwise innocent motorist?
 
It's a hard one, would you rather have people being trained by professional erd trainers, or emergency service drivers just given the keys and go get em, I'd rather have little risk in a training environment than untrained drivers on the road
 
It's a hard one, would you rather have people being trained by professional erd trainers, or emergency service drivers just given the keys and go get em, I'd rather have little risk in a training environment than untrained drivers on the road

Surely there is a protocol in the event of injury or death to another in this instance?
 
It does sound like they might have been doing what was called 'pursuit training' - with the BMW acting as the bandit car and the marked vehicle keeping up . They used to do this at Tulliallan , but I was previously told that this had been stopped because of danger to the public .

By the description given in the original post , it sounds as though the BMW executed a safe overtake , but the following driver ought to have held back - if on a training run , he would have been marked down for this - with only two in the car it would either have been an assessment drive or nothing to do with training at all : training runs are normally four to a car with one instructor plus three students taking turn about .

In the Fire Service , although we have our own ERDTU , we don't tend to get into real high speed stuff as the police do - appliance drivers are taught advanced techniques but are never going to do much more than normal traffic speeds in 20+ tons of fire appliance ; our officers are now issued with instructions forbidding any more than 20mph above speed limits on response drives and full compliance with limits at all other times .

Any incidents which are more than minor vehicle damage only ( dents , clipped wing mirrors etc ) are fully investigated , sometimes in conjunction with police , even the minor bumps involve lots of paperwork .

Thankfully , there have been very few injury accidents involving our vehicles ; I can only recall one in recent years where a MOP was injured , and a handful where our own guys were hurt .
 
In addition to Derek's comments and from past experience in Police driver training and examination, it sounds like this was one of the classic scenarios on the Class one test. The bandit car (usually unmarked) executes an overtake that is safe enough for his vehicle only, if the pursuing car follows him through on the overtake and causes the oncoming traffic to take avoiding action then it's a fail. If the oncoming traffic does not have to take avoiding action then he gets marked down.

There is no other way to test driver skills than in a live situation but prior to this the driver should have done 3 weeks intensive training so there is no excuse for an error as described in the OP

Training runs as Derek quite correctly points out are usually 4 up, test drives in cars and familiarisation runs should never be done single crewed as the potential risk to MOP increases significantly, obviously this policy was not in place in Manchester and you can see the results in Troon's post.

Live training runs involving experienced traffic officers are still done by the majority of forces and although the bandit car is usually single crewed it has a black box and front and rear video as does the pursuit car, afterwards data and video is downloaded onto memory stick for review by the drivers and critique by senior officers. If any irregularities occur they are dealt with and often very severely sometimes leading to driver retraining.

Generally they do take every precaution but as always in life there are the odd few that abuse what they have, it's very rare you see bad driving from a traffic cop but quite common to see it with panda's and vans etc. but if you report it, it will get investigated and dealt with :thumb:
 
Ian, I appreciate your explanation...but what if a collision does occur? Where does the buck stop?
 
If it was an approved training exercise then presumably there were records kept. It may be interesting to raise a Freedom of Information Act request for details about (a) the training routes regularly used in your county (in order that you can be extra vigilent when you're out and about) and (b) confirmation of whether or not it is known that there was a training exercise on the specific road on the day/time in question.
 
Ian, I appreciate your explanation...but what if a collision does occur? Where does the buck stop?

As always the buck stops with the driver, if he carried out an unsafe manoeuvre then he is liable in law just like the rest of us. There is no special treatment of the police even on approved training runs and examinations.

The blues and two part of the test is done in a very specific and controlled manner so not to endanger MOP
 
£33k or even £40k for a golf.......... ridiculous...
 
I read in our local paper a couple of weeks ago that someone made an official complaint to West Mercia Police about a police van speeding on the A5.
I wonder how that investigation will go :rolleyes:

No further action due to lack of evidence.........I guess.

You're probably right, although the they did say they would investigate as the van was estimated to be doing 80mph+.

How could a prosecution be successful if a witness says they estimated the speed to be about 80mph.

Just like a regular report, without corroborating evidence there can be no prosecution.

Police definitely do get prosecuted for breaking traffic laws.
 
It does sound like they might have been doing what was called 'pursuit training' - with the BMW acting as the bandit car and the marked vehicle keeping up . They used to do this at Tulliallan , but I was previously told that this had been stopped because of danger to the public .

Talking of high speed training reminds me of catching a Vx Senator from some distance, on a high speed exercise many years ago.

Are you meant to do that...? :rolleyes:
 

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