Police vehicles and the Law?

[renault12ts]

The zig-zag line is in this case wrong.

They should not be more than 250mm from the side of the road, and very clearly they are. Since the yellow line is at the edge of the road, why on earth is that zig zag line in the middle of that side of the road? If the zig-zag line was at the side of the road, where it should be, then there would be no ambivalence.

 

[Dieselman]

The zig-zag line is in this case wrong.

They should not be more than 250mm from the side of the road, and very clearly they are. Since the yellow line is at the edge of the road, why on earth is that zig zag line in the middle of that side of the road? If the zig-zag line was at the side of the road, where it should be, then there would be no ambivalence.

The pavement projects for the crossing so the zig-zag is correctly marked as being within 250mm of that kerb.
The parking bay is not covered by the zig-zag deliberately...as it's a parking bay outside the main carriageway...

 

[renault12ts]

The pavement projects for the crossing so the zig-zag is correctly marked as being within 250mm of that kerb.
The parking bay is not covered by the zig-zag deliberately...as it's a parking bay outside the main carriageway...

...but but but...not on street view. This is not a parking bay, it is the side of the road...it is the main carriageway. The lack of any white lines further confirm this.

 

[Dieselman]

...but but but...not on street view. This is not a parking bay, it is the side of the road...it is the main carriageway.

Wrong.

On streetview it's quite clear as a bay made because of the projecting pavement for the crossing and there is a parking times notice...

EH48 4EU - Google Maps

 

[renault12ts]

So, the whole of that side of the road, as far as it goes is a parking bay?

The time sign applies to the yellow line. A yellow line does not signify a parking bay. There are a couple of disabled parking bays...but no others the whole way along.

I think the sign writers got it wrong. What are the zig zags for...to stop someone illegally parking in the middle of the road?

 

[MOCAŠ]

I think the sign writers got it wrong. What are the zig zags for...to stop someone illegally parking in the middle of the road?

They're part and parcel of a zebra crossing installation, even if there's only room for one car to pass each way.

You're right about there not being individually marked parking bays, but the recess has clearly been installed to allow parking.

 

[Mblinko]

I don't think you are correct otherwise the single yellow restriction would not be operational.
Anyone can park in that bay once outside the times of the restriction.

In my earlier post I mentioned about the objective of the zig zags. As I said before, the photo is inconclusive. As for whether the view is obstructed, it all depends on whether the van is parked after the crossing or before. If before, the will view be obstructed. If after it won't (or may not be) if you are crossing from the same side. It was always a moot point if the offence could be proved if parked after.

Also, as we know, just because the authority own a tin of paint and a brush does not mean the marking is lawful. It may be a purposeful attempt to dissuade given the moot point I just mentioned.

Either way, the superior offence is the zig zag, if it can be proved.

Just my ten penneth, I'm sure we've got a motoring lawyer in the midst somewhere

 

[Dieselman]

What are the zig zags for...to stop someone illegally parking in the middle of the road?

Yes, just like they are at any pedestrian crossing.

The fact is that other than possibly contravening the time, the Police van is legally parked in a parking bay restricted by single yellow line.


End..!!
p.s. The parking restriction is Mon-Sat 8am-6pm.

 

[renault12ts]

They're part and parcel of a zebra crossing installation, even if there's only room for one car to pass each way.

You're right about there not being individually marked parking bays, but the recess has clearly been installed to allow parking.

The point is it's not a recess, it's the resumption of the normal width of the road after the narrowing for the Zebra crossing.

 

[Mblinko]

Can you show us where you are correct and others are wrong.


The van is neither on the zig-zags or in an area bounded by them, ergo, it isn't parked in an area covered by zig-zags as it's outside that area.

The "area" is the space between the zig-zag lines.

Actually it is in an area bounded by them - the start and the end of the line denote the boundary limit. The area is found by drawing a line from one side of the road to the other, through them.

 

[renault12ts]

Yes, just like they are at any pedestrian crossing.

The fact is that other than possibly contravening the time, the Police van is legally parked in a parking bay restricted by single yellow line.


End..!!

I still contend that its the side of the road, not a parking bay, and street view bears that out.

 

[MOCAŠ]

I still contend that its the side of the road, not a parking bay, and street view bears that out.

No it doesn't!

Look down the length of the road, towards the Spar store. There are several recesses, designed to allow cars to park leaving a single lane for passing traffic. The recesses may have been made by building the pavement out at various places, but they are clearly intended to allow kerbside parking without interrupting the traffic flow.

 

[Mblinko]

I still contend that its the side of the road, not a parking bay, and street view bears that out.

Correct. In fact IIRC, the strict definition is that road includes pavements. Road users are cars, pedestrians, cyclists etc, portions of it are simply reserved. If you are prosecuted for driving on a pavement, the offence is (or used to be) driving without reasonable consideration for other road users, and is further evidence by the same offence being used when drivers splash pedestrians by driving through puddles.

 

[Dieselman]

Earlier, whilst scanning that road looking at all the parking bays, I noticed this business.

Could be useful for those that will not see...

EH48 4EU - Google Maps

 

[renault12ts]

No it doesn't!

Look down the length of the road, towards the Spar store. There are several recesses, designed to allow cars to park leaving a single lane for passing traffic. The recesses may have been made by building the pavement out at various places, but they are clearly intended to allow kerbside parking without interrupting the traffic flow.

Look the other way, there are no further restrictions in width and there are single yellow (and doubles) the whole way along the side of the road from the point where the police van is parked.

It couldn't be any more certain that the intent is not to allow parking during the busy day time trading hours.

 

[Dieselman]

It couldn't be any more certain that the intent is not to allow parking during the busy day time trading hours.

So it IS a parking area.

 

[renault12ts]

So it IS a parking area.

It's both. DON'T PARK HERE...please.

 

[MOCAŠ]

Look the other way, there are no further restrictions in width and there are single yellow (and doubles) the whole way along the side of the road from the point where the police van is parked.

It couldn't be any more certain that the intent is not to allow parking during the busy day time trading hours.

Agreed, the parking bay ends on the approach to Jarvey St and does not continue beyond it. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all.

 

[renault12ts]

Agreed, the parking bay ends on the approach to Jarvey St and does not continue beyond it. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all.

What makes the bit between the zebra crossing and Jervey Street a parking bay...especially considering it is not intended as such during normal business hours.

 

[Dieselman]

What makes the bit between the zebra crossing and Jervey Street a parking bay...especially considering it is not intended as such during normal business hours.

The single yellow line and the little sign that says you can park but not between specified hours.

Give up renault12ts...