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Polish before wax or not?

Thanks for the link to polishedbliss.co.uk it's probably the most comprehensive site with streams of detailed information that I have seen yet!

The car care section at the bottom of the page is invaluable and I know I need the BLACKFIRE WET ICE OVER FIRE KIT but it's out of stock :(

Aye, over on S.net they are very popular. It's how I heard of them and their service is second to none. I'm by no means a professional - far from it, but I like to look after any decent cars I have. A 19 year olf Merc is a challenge just like my 205GTi was when I had it. Hoping for good weather tomorrow so I can wash, de-tar, polish and wax 'ze Merc' :cool:

Baby's got to have a clean Merc to ride in - congratulations!

I know mate, inside is in need of a hoover for sure :D
 
I've decided i'm going to purchase the following for when i eventually get round to doing mine:

1. Bilt Hamber Clay Bar for after washing:

http://www.bilthamber.com/pro-introduction.php?cname=Clays, Wax :: Polish&name=auto-clay regular

2. Then polish using the Menzerna Final Finish PO 85 RE 5.

3. Use Isopropanol alcohol (IPA) to wipe the car down after polishing

4. Then use Bilt Hamber Auto Balm:

http://www.bilthamber.com/pro-introduction.php?cname=Clays, Wax :: Polish&name=auto-balm

5. Then finish with R222 Carnauba Wax:

R222 Concours Look Carnauba Wax | Original Wax | FREE UK DELIVERY

Well, that's the plan anyway!

OK, i think i now have all the bits required to detail the car (microfibre applicators, towels & IPA in the post)!! If it doesn't look any different afterwards, i'm going to have the right 'ump!! :D
 
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A polish is an abrasive, even if it is a mild one like AG SRP
- every time you use a polish, you rub some of the paint off. You will see paint colour on the polish rag. Rubbing paint off every time you wash the car is probably a bad idea.

Some unctions seem to be fillers and sealers e.g. AG Ultra Deep Shine (UDS).
- these fill in micro scratches and seal the surface (doh!). The paint does not colour up the application rag.

A wax is a sealer, it provides an impervious seal to the paint after polishing and filling etc. A polymer "wax" cross-links as it cures making a plastic coating (usually "metalized", use mildly alkaline soap solution to remove). Carnauba wax comes from a palm tree and can set as hard as concrete, and it buffs up very nice and shiny.

AG SRP has almost no cut so won't get rid of swirls or minor paint defects. What it does do really well is fill swirls in so the effect is similar although it will wear off eventually with washing (even if sealed.)

If you get paint colour on your polishing cloths then your paint has no clear coat so this only happens on older cars. Newer cars with a clear coat will show no staining when polishing since the defects are in the clear coat layer (unless they are deep scratches in which case no amount of polish is going to help.)

Polishes do take very small amount of the finish off and the rate this happens at depends on the aggressiveness of the product used and the method used. Aggressive polishes will introduce marring into the paint even though they will rid it of swirls and minor scratches and will require refining with a less aggressive polish afterwards. Light cut or no cut polishes burnish the surface and produce the deep shine that you all love. Polishes leave no protection on the surface and those, like SRP, that have fillers will be washed away the first time it rains. You should always seal the finish with a sealant or wax.

Sealants are synthetic and as such chemically produced to achieve a desired result. They are generally easier to apply than a wax and more durable. The finish tends to be more clinical and sharp. They are good for metallic finishes, especially light colours. If you want ease of use and durability this is a good choice.

Waxes are a natural product (mixed with other stuff including chemicals in some cases.) Waxes are generally harder (not necessarily hard) to apply than sealants and are less durable. They aren't UV stable (generally) and can cause holograms as a result of poor wash technique in hot weather because of the oils present if they not applied correctly. Waxes however leave a richer finish and are more likely to look "wet" with a deep reflection. With dark colours, especially black, waxes can look amazing. Be prepared to redo it every 2-3 months though.

To confuse the matter even more there are now nano technology products that effectively become the new surface of the paint by bonding with (not to) the surface. Their durability can be measured in years (Gtechniq C1 - only available by professional application - can last 3 years for example) with an average being 8-12 months. Wolfs Body Wrap is an excellent product. Some of them have some level of self cleaning properties similar to the Lotus Flower. If you want the most durable protection for your car this is the way to go.

Of course the quality of the finish has more to do with the quality of the preparation than the last stage product used. If you really want your car to look amazing invest in a professional detailing and then look after it! A one day enhancement detail will cost you circa £300 but in almost every case the value of your car will increase by more as a result and you will be blown away by the results.
 
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