Question for Plodd...

[Swiss Toni]

Me i would opt for sebastein loeb or the STIG :bannana: :bannana:

Just so long as everyone was going in the same direction or there was no one else on the road. Otherwise, I'd chose an expert.

 

[DansSlk]

Just so long as everyone was going in the same direction or there was no one else on the road. Otherwise, I'd chose an expert.

No offense intended here but when it comes to being an expert i think Sébastien Loeb or dare i say it The Stig are probably more qualified.

In fact i think Sébastien would make a good police driver myself clearly not afraid of real speed and not hampered by a bit of rough terrain

 

[Swiss Toni]

No offense intended here but when it comes to being an expert i think Sébastien Loeb or dare i say it The Stig are probably more qualified.

I am sure that they are more qualified.

My Dentist is well qualified too, just not at Advanced Driving, on a road, in real life (not on the telly)

 

[nick mercedes]

but insurance Cat B = never to return to road so its a clone car

Why clone a car off the id of a break only car?

Athough if the car was written off some time ago (2000?) there was nothing to stop it going back on the road regardless of what cat it ended up with...

 

[glojo]

I am sure that they are more qualified.

My Dentist is well qualified too, just not at Advanced Driving, on a road, in real life (not on the telly)

Totally agree and we can all learn from experts within specific fields. We can all have our opinions even Nigel Mansell. He was a Special Constable in Devon and was impressed with the safe manner in which he was transported at high speed. With race drivers they have marshal's to ensure there are no obstructions or hazards, emergency drivers merely have armchair critics that with hindsight can usually do a better job. I enjoy my motorbikes and love watching bike racing, but there are quite a few top bike racers that will not ride a motor cycle on the public highway because of all the hazards the have no control over.

John

 

[recycled]

But police advanced drivers still have major crashes and accidents and if the car is going to go out of control or encounter some black ice at 100+mph i know i want to be in loebs car then.maybe it is
Just me but i am sure i will be safer then.
Correct me if i am wrong but did marko martin not control the late richard burns car from the passenger seat after a blackout on the M4?

 

[Carrotchomper]

Typical of merseyside police. i have had so far 4 complaints cases against them.Two won ,one pending in court and one settled out off.
Carrotchomper any comments on this episode please
This must be the busiest constabulary in the UK.

None whatsoever, actually! Quite apart from being unable to see the screen clearly through tired eyes I don't feel there is a lot I can add!

Incidents like this are often dealt with best by popping down to the police station. Checks can be completed on the index, and the matter resolved one way or another.

IMHO it is entirely plausible that the original poster was misinformed about the write-off category of the car in the first place and it has been returned to the road legitimately.

I will try to have a brief look tomorrow to see if there is anything more that needs looking into.

I cannot see a police officer acting in this way, but I do not think the "impersonation" route is really going anywhere.

 

[recycled]

None whatsoever, actually! Quite apart from being unable to see the screen clearly through tired eyes I don't feel there is a lot I can add!

Incidents like this are often dealt with best by popping down to the police station. Checks can be completed on the index, and the matter resolved one way or another.

IMHO it is entirely plausible that the original poster was misinformed about the write-off category of the car in the first place and it has been returned to the road legitimately.

I will try to have a brief look tomorrow to see if there is anything more that needs looking into.

I cannot see a police officer acting in this way, but I do not think the "impersonation" route is really going anywhere.

Agreed. i just want to bring to you the notion as gsmguy pointed out they they will not take the case any further unless a formal complaint was made.
I have earlier repeated that this is what happens in the real world.
Why do they need a formal complaint to take the case any further?

 

[Swiss Toni]

But police advanced drivers still have major crashes and accidents and if the car is going to go out of control or encounter some black ice at 100+mph i know i want to be in loebs car then.maybe it is
Just me but i am sure i will be safer then.
Correct me if i am wrong but did marko martin not control the late richard burns car from the passenger seat after a blackout on the M4?

There you go again, suggesting they are human!

 

[Swiss Toni]

Agreed. i just want to bring to you the notion as gsmguy pointed out they they will not take the case any further unless a formal complaint was made.
I have earlier repeated that this is what happens in the real world.
Why do they need a formal complaint to take the case any further?

Because they need evidence that something was done wrong?!

I think you'd be pretty miffed if your boss (lets imagine everyone has a boss ) accused you of something with no evidence?!!!

 

[recycled]

Because they need evidence that something was done wrong?!

I think you'd be pretty miffed if your boss (lets imagine everyone has a boss ) accused you of something with no evidence?!!!

I do have a boss but she is so thick she is busy stuffing her face with pasties and pies while trying to fit her frame into her S-type jag.
She will not be accusing anyone of anything soon except .Who ate my pies

 

[glojo]

I cannot see a police officer acting in this way, but I do not think the "impersonation" route is really going anywhere.

Totally agree and if it comes to one car occupants word against another then it would be unjust to take it further. IF...... If however the accused person is really a police officer then that's a different kettle of fish. I say this because you have no knowledge of the occupant so even if they deny everything, it will need explaining how you knew they were a police officer.

GSBMGuy,
Did you get any pictures of this person flashing this Police card?? I am NOT suggesting you post it here, but it would certainly help your case, plus of course any voice recordings of this persons conversation.

 

[Carrotchomper]

Agreed. i just want to bring to you the notion as gsmguy pointed out they they will not take the case any further unless a formal complaint was made.
I have earlier repeated that this is what happens in the real world.
Why do they need a formal complaint to take the case any further?

Hmm, well this sounds rather lazy in my eyes. I think it is because we can't really decide WHAT category this incident fits into- Complaint against off-duty officer/possible ringer/impersonation dodginess.

I can only say what I would do in the circumstances- Check the index and either log for intelligence purposes/ANPR or see where the enquiry goes.

 

[GSMGuy]

GSBMGuy,
Did you get any pictures of this person flashing this Police card?? I am NOT suggesting you post it here, but it would certainly help your case, plus of course any voice recordings of this persons conversation.

Unfortunately not, but as you say, if it turns out he is police, then how would I have known if he had not flashed a card??

Mike

 

[Carrotchomper]

Unfortunately not, but as you say, if it turns out he is police, then how would I have known if he had not flashed a card??

Mike

Absolutely. Either way this needs to be looked at. If the registration relates to a serving police officer then at the very least they need to be spoken to. There may be two sides to the story but the fact of the matter is that they have brought their police role into an incident and this needs some sort of investigation. If they are not, then like I say, intelligence needs to be gathered!

 

[Dieselman]

Unfortunately not, but as you say, if it turns out he is police, then how would I have known if he had not flashed a card??

Mike

And you do have a witness albeit not independant to the flashing, so that should aid your complaint.

 

[Swiss Toni]

Unfortunately not, but as you say, if it turns out he is police, then how would I have known if he had not flashed a card??

Mike

If he is Police I can't see that he would deny that he had "flashed his card"? (Why should he? - he isn't doing anything wrong by doing so...). And if he says you were paying more attention to his lovely car than to driving, it will only tie in with your reason for interest in the car...

 

[GSMGuy]

And if he says you were paying more attention to his lovely car than to driving, it will only tie in with your reason for interest in the car...

Lovely - it was scabby as hell - would be ashamed to have ever been on the V5!!!

Mike

 

[DansSlk]

I am sure that they are more qualified.

My Dentist is well qualified too, just not at Advanced Driving, on a road, in real life (not on the telly)

I dint think you quite understood what i was trying to say.

A person who makes a living driving at very high speeds especially rally drivers who drive in some poor conditions at speeds most of us don't approach on the roads in perfect condition are at the pinnacle of any form of advanced driving.

They do this in real life if they slam into a tree at 100+ it hurts they don't just jump up and say well its only on the telly so i was never in any real danger.

I know they drive on closed off roads or tracks that they have pace notes to help them along and that this negates the need for thoughts about public safety that a police driver must always be thinking about but you simply cannot compare the two.

If i where going to entrust my life to either a police driver or a racing driver it would have to be the second i feel that a racing driver could very quickly adapt to driving in the conditions police drivers must face but a police driver would struggle when it comes rally time.

No offense intended to any officers here i respect the fact that you are highly trained and good at what you do but i don't think its possible to even compare somebody who's primary job is to enforce the law to somebody who's job it is to drive a car very very fast and to say that they are not advanced drivers sounds very small minded to me lets face it the vast majority of drivers can with the correct training drive a car with the same skills level as a police officer but not many people have the balls to drive a car at high speed with a rock wall to your left and a cliff to your right with next to no space to play with i think that makes them very advanced don't you?

GSMGuy, Keep us posted i am very interested to hear how this pans out.

 

[glojo]

Clearly we are entrenched in our opinions but I will simply say that at race meetings crashing is a regular happening. Drivers are pushing the vehicle to its limits, no matter what we might think the lead racer is gambling on road\track conditions. It is unfair to compare, I have had the privilege of both experiences. They are chalk and cheese. If a motor cyclist comes off at 100mph on a race circuit, there is a good chance they will chase after their bike and try to rejoin the race. Coming off at these speeds is a regular occurrence. Come off at these speeds on a public road and your probably NEVER going to do it again.

The glamour angle is a different issue.... Look at me, I've got Lewis Hamilton driving me. On an empty road he would leave the advanced driver standing. I have been driven around Silverstone by a Police advanced driver and we were embarrassed by vehicles overtaking us, but that was on a race circuit. On the public highway this same driver made amazing SAFE progress, this type of driving needs specialist training. I am NO fan of Mr traffic officer, I have very strong views on the average traffic officer, but I can separate my opinions and look at this issue clinically.

Of course we can all moan about individual examples of bad driving and of course we are all the best driver, but look at the antics of race drivers, their must win attitude, the pushing and shoving that takes place? Who mentioned BTCC? I am in awe of the amazing skills displayed by top drivers in all fields of driving, but just because your good in one section, does not make you the best in another. I also enjoy watching a truck driver manoeuvre an artic into, and out of difficult locations. Would an accomplished truck racer be better at this when compared to a full time lorry driver? Horses for courses, a specialist is a specialist.

Sorry about going off topic but we are all now waiting on the next stage of this incident.

John