Ready steady Queue

[Darrell]

 

[grober]

PLEASE DON'T MISQUOTE ME---make your point by all means but don't alter what I said and repost it under my name

 

[Darrell]

PLEASE DON'T MISQUOTE ME---make your point by all means but don't alter what I said and repost it under my name

Who’s this aimed at?

 

[Bellow]

No petrol shortages in China. Well, none reported....

 

[grober]

Who’s this aimed at?

poormansporsche -- post 258

 

[Deleted member 159894]

PLEASE DON'T MISQUOTE ME---make your point by all means but don't alter what I said and repost it under my name

I don't think there was any malice intended.

 

[Darrell]

poormansporsche -- post 258

Happens all the time which I’m sure you’ll know. He’s only having a laugh.

 

[poormansporsche]

PLEASE DON'T MISQUOTE ME---make your point by all means but don't alter what I said and repost it under my name

Apologies. No offence was meant to be given.

"Fixed that for you" is generally accepted forum speak for making a joke out of a previous post, invariably a play on words.

 

[markjay]

No petrol shortages in China. Well, none reported....

That's because the fuel shortages started in America, not in China. And don't call this one the Chinese Fuel Crisis, it's offensive.

 

[grober]

Happens all the time which I’m sure you’ll know. He’s only having a laugh.

Apologies. No offence was meant to be given.

"Fixed that for you" is generally accepted forum speak for making a joke out of a previous post, invariably a play on words.

Thank you

 

[Dryce]

It works in some places..... in Qatar, foreign residents make-up 88.4% of the population while Qataris are only 11.6%. Not all foreigners are migrant workers, but it is estimated that over 2m out of the total population of just under 3m are migrant workers, so near the 80% mark.

But what right do those foreign residents have?

UK has an honourable tradition of giving incomers almost the same level of rights as citizens - and chuck in healthcare (cheap or free) and free eductation.

As an example in the UK you don't need citizenship to come and go or work or vote or qualify for state pension - and while health can incur a cost these days to non-citizens with right to remain - it's not taht expensive and the cover it offers is much more open ended than insurance.

 

[BTB 500]

On the subject of fuel station queues I suspect the problem is now people repeatedly topping up almost full vehicles 'to be on the safe side'?

 

[SW18]

I normally fill to the brim once I am down to under a quarter of a tank. I will soon be on reserve and theres not a petrol station within 10 miles of me that has fuel. On friday we coiunted a queue of 55 cars waiting to enter the largest Pertol Station near here. Its lucky for me that I am still in the main working from home

Same here for me - went for a walk on Saturday morning and the roads were gridlock, with huge queues at all the petrol stations. By the evening all the ones I saw had run out of fuel. The car's on an 1/8th so another week and it'll have run out. I am sure fuel will be available again then, the only question is will the price have gone up! I'm amazed that some retailers didn't stick 10p on the price to manage down demand this last week?

 

[grober]

Exactly ! Electric vehicles powered, at the margin, by fossil fuels such as gas and coal.

The only challenges? To move £80 billion worth of automotive taxation from fuel usage to miles actually driven.

Oh, and expending huge amount of CO2 to develop, build and sell the 35 million vehicles to use such power in the UK, and persuading the British public to reach into their own pockets to pay for them

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The point I trying to make, obtusely I admit, was that EV owners would remain unaffected by the government's present "failure to anticipate the obvious" temporary hiatus in fuel supply. I'm not so sure that the 5 litre cans of petrol in the boot brigade share your perfectly valid EV environmental concerns mind?

 

[ChrisHGTV]

Vehicle manufacturers do a great deal to keep mass down as lower mass allows smaller (and lighter!) brakes, less power (smaller, lighter drivetrain) for the same performance, etc. They aren't necessarily as extreme as following the old Colin Chapman adage of not using washers under bolt heads ("I'm not paying to drive washers around the circuit"), but they're not far off.

As an aside, that's one of the big engineering arguments against BEV's: you're always carrying around a huge dead weight that you have to accelerate, brake, and s

Same here for me - went for a walk on Saturday morning and the roads were gridlock, with huge queues at all the petrol stations. By the evening all the ones I saw had run out of fuel. The car's on an 1/8th so another week and it'll have run out. I am sure fuel will be available again then, the only question is will the price have gone up! I'm amazed that some retailers didn't stick 10p on the price to manage down demand this last week?

I think quite a few retailers did mark up the rate from what i've read on other forums etc. Haven't seen personally mind. To be honest i don't normally pay too much attention to the price, if i need it, i need it. The only exception is on certain motorway services. One time i actually put in £4 V-Power into the Alfa at Cobham Services M25 just to get me to the next station as it was excruciatingly over priced. It wasn't the cost, just the thought of being ripped off. I think it was like 25p more/litre than the V-Power in central Guildford. Shame as Cobham services is actually quite impressive - they even have Hydrogen on tap.

 

[Deleted member 55947]

On the subject of fuel station queues I suspect the problem is now people repeatedly topping up almost full vehicles 'to be on the safe side'?

Agree. The bloke in front of me this morning put in £21.37p !

 

[poormansporsche]

Thank you

No, thank you.




Somebody posts something
Second person posts something presumptuous
First person not happy
Second person apologises
First person accepts apology

It's not hard is it ??????

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

The point I trying to make, obtusely I admit, was that EV owners would remain unaffected by the government's present "failure to anticipate the obvious" temporary hiatus in fuel supply. I'm not so sure that the 5 litre cans of petrol in the boot brigade share your perfectly valid EV environmental concerns mind?

Understood, but the Road Hauliers PR trick won't be unique to fuel delivery,

As in Insulate Britain and Extinction Rebellion, PR firms are getting smarter at causing disruption to achieve their objectives.

The comfort that we can take on fuel is that stockpiling is limited to the fuel tank capacity of our 35 million vehicles. We won't see the toilet paper stockpiling of 2020 spread to larders full of 5 litre diesel cans.

Still, think positively, this focus is what Greta wanted.

 

[Fastcar155]

Hi , looks as the winter of discontent is about to hit again !

 

[Rich764089]

I've run an 11kv distribution system the size of a small town so I have some insight.

It wouldn't necessarily be a strain on the national grid but the further you go down the system the worse it gets. For example I've looked at our local 1.5MW substation and counted the 300 houses it supplies. If every house had an EV with a 7KW charger and they all plugged in at the same time the load would be 2.1MW from EV charging alone. The whole electricity distribution system is sized on the principle of a diversity factor i.e. it's assumed not everyone will draw the maximum load at the same time and if they did it wouldn't cope. Your own house employs the same principle in that it's assumed you will never draw 13 amps from every socket at the same time and if you attempted that, it would trip the breakers before you got half way around the house plugging these loads in.

In practice even when everyone has an EV, they will not all be be charged at the same time but if you throw in heat pumps for every house as well it's hard to see how the existing local infrastructure will cope without some way of managing the diversity.

Thanks; very insightful and interesting. Sounds like it would be borderline as to whether existing infrastructure would cope with most people going EV then. Particularly whilst there are still large proportions of EV cars requiring several/ many hours of charging therfore increasing the liklihood of mass charging at the same time (unlike other relatively high consumers, such as kettles, that are used for short bursts).

Sorry for the thread tangent. Back to queueing...

It works in some places..... in Qatar, foreign residents make-up 88.4% of the population while Qataris are only 11.6%. Not all foreigners are migrant workers, but it is estimated that over 2m out of the total population of just under 3m are migrant workers, so near the 80% mark.

And the reverse also works well for some. Japan has maintained its rank as 3rd biggest economy with only 2% foreigners.

I certainly wouldn't want to be in Britain with <12% British people. (Cue calls of racism).

Qataris often treat their foreign works like dog sh1t. I've seen it first hand with the Bangladeshi workforce there. No thanks to that set up.