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Remembers to Give Way

Repost from 2012 look at the date on the video.

Not sure why its on the 'news' sites again, was on PH yesterday also.


People seem to think they have right of way when joining a road :doh:
 
Suspect daily mail reporting...

"Thankfully in this case, no insurance claim was filed but who knows what could have happened if the camera had not been there." (2013)

Dash camera prevents costly M25 insurance claim | Fleet News

"No one was seriously injured in the collision, with news of the crash only emerging after the driver of the Civic filed a whiplash claim." (2014)

Read more: M25 car tries to join the motorway and ends up being shunted sideways by a lorry for 100 metres | Daily Mail Online
 
I'm sorry but i'm in favour of the lorry driver here. How late that car appeared on his near side and that 'gap' he was trying to get into was pretty small. The camera makes it look larger than it is due to the lens.

I agree 'giving way' appears to be a thing of the past but so does having common sense and patience!!
 
From the insurer's point of view the driver of the private vehicle was at fault.

But this is not to say that the lorry driver demonstrated good driving.

He could slow down and accommodate the pushy drivers.

The point is that lorries hate to slow down; they like to maintain speed due to the time it takes them to get back to cruising speed.

Or perhaps he was just not alert enough? We should not assume that he actually saw everything that the camera did.

Legally, the lorry driver is in the clear. But it does seem that a good driver could have avoided the crash.
 
From the insurer's point of view the driver of the private vehicle was at fault.

But this is not to say that the lorry driver demonstrated good driving.

He could slow down and accommodate the pushy drivers.

The point is that lorries hate to slow down; they like to maintain speed due to the time it takes them to get back to cruising speed.

Or perhaps he was just not alert enough? We should not assume that he actually saw everything that the camera did.

Legally, the lorry driver is in the clear. But it does seem that a good driver could have avoided the crash.

I think you are splitting hairs a bit.

A murderer, would not be a murderer if he / she did not kill. Maybe they were molested, maybe the victim threatened them or their family, maybe...plenty of maybes that can be thrown into this.

I doubt there was anything else going there, as the car driver was joining from the slip road, so it is unlikely there was 'history' between these two drivers.

Also, if you ever driven the lorry, you would know that at the point of the impact, the car would be in his blind spot, hence not clearly, if at all visible.

The lorry driver did not change the speed, or the his line of travel, he did however proceed straight to the hard shoulder, to avoid somebody else rear ending him or the car.

In my opinion, it is not just legal aspect the lorry driver dealt with quite well, but the moral one too.


And, they do not like to slow down, and yes they do overtake one another blocking three lanes on 4 lane motorways, and they do overtake for 10min, when one is doing 0.5km more than the one on the inside...and I hate them for all of these things :mad:


But, in this case, seeing the little clip I cant say I believe he should be blamed for this incident. Good driver can prevent some situations, but also, good driver dont try to squeeze in front of 40t artic, just because he cant be ****d to ease off his accelerator and merge behind it ;)
 
My grandad could have got in that gap and he's 79.

And he hasn't got a driving license.
 
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Or worse, the lorry driver might be escaping a group of enraged bikers, after running over one of their beloved machines :)
 
Was if before they shot the episode in Argentina, or after?
 
Once again we see the carnage brought upon us by not using winter tyres.

This is an inflammatory remark which distorts the fact as we know them.

......there was no carnage :D
 
I believe that this is the same discussion that we have from time to time about victims of crime.

You could park your car in a well-lit area, leaving no personal belongings in sight, and keeping all storage cubicles open.

Or you could park it in a dark alley, full of personal items and visibly locked storage compartments.

Then when it get broken into... if I say that the owner takes some of the blame because he or she could have done more to prevent becoming the victim of a crime, I get flak and told that I am excusing car theft.

Not so. The perpetrator's responobility for their offences is not diminished by the behaviour of their victims.

My personal view is that each and every one of us is personally responsible for taking reasonable measures to avoid being victim of a crime, or involved in a car crash, or come to harm by any other form of mishap. Regardless of the legal position.

When you see a green light do you just sail through the junction? If so then this is not good driving in my book. You should always make sure that the junction is free before entering it, even when you have a green light or right-of-way.

In this case it is not contested that legal liability is with the private car driver.

But, unrelated, the question should still be asked: could the lorry driver have reasonably avoided the crash?

If you say no, there was nothing he could have reasonably done, then I may agree or disagree, but this then becomes a legitimate factual discussion.

But if you say that he might have been able to avoid the crash but has no obligation to do so and should therefore not be classed as a bad driver, then I would say that this is an unreasonable position to take.
 
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