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Speed Camera in Horse Box!

Crushing of the miners during their strike ( remember the countless road blocks and the stopping of vehicles preventing the occupants joining picket lines )
Same tactic was used to stop people joining the anti poll tax gatherings in London.
Remember the old bloke arrested under terrorism laws for heckling during a recent Labour party conference.
Remember the laws introduced to stop people demonstrating in the area around the Houses of parliament.

far fetched... I think I will move to your patch of Utopia.
 
I don't really comprehend the use of the horse box but at the end of the day it's no different to the Police using unmarked police cars; I assume the law has changed (anyone got a linky?) to allow concealment but surely there is guidance :confused:
 
concealment law is for camera partenerships.
The police can do what they like.
As man in ken said we do not mind the CCTV being used to catch shoplifters or people scratching our cars in car parks.
True.
But what punishment do they get?
It is a bigger punishment parking on a yellow and buying something than it is running in on foot and robbing the place.
 
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simple solution.

don't speed!


This WILL solve all your worries about cameras and sneaky beaky's pulling you up or sending you a ticket on the post. It will also be a really good way to keep ones driving licence!

After a while, the Police will be dispatched to other areas that will be more productive for their time!

Like catching the bloke what stole your car and ran up £800 worth of speeding tickets and left it illegally parked on a set of yellows somewhere!
 
scumbag said:
don't speed!


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Agreed though controversially some people have been caught speeding when they were not speeding and others have been caught out with dodgy signage and varying speed limits.
North wales apologised and said it was an error.
I wonder how many just paid up and gave up and before we say it is only 2 or 3% it is 2 or 3% too many.

I fear if people stop speeding, the limits will come down to silly levels e.g 10mph on a dual carriageway or there may be more errors on camera so please let the cameras go on as i do not want any more taxes on my case
 
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DaveK said:
Crushing of the miners during their strike ( remember the countless road blocks and the stopping of vehicles preventing the occupants joining picket lines )
Same tactic was used to stop people joining the anti poll tax gatherings in London.
Remember the old bloke arrested under terrorism laws for heckling during a recent Labour party conference.
Remember the laws introduced to stop people demonstrating in the area around the Houses of parliament.

far fetched... I think I will move to your patch of Utopia.
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Mmmm, I still feel its all a little too far fetched and could respond to all the issues you've raised but I feel we'd be going a little off topic :) .

I'm happy with my patch of utopia and if you want to move here there is plenty of room ;)
 
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how funny is this?
Only humour .
i do not know if it is fact

http://www.btinternet.com/~brentours/PC2004.htm

The ambulance services are appealing for a change in the law, after it emerged they are spending thousands of pounds a year appealing speeding fines. In the balance between cash flow and saving lives, the police clearly prefer the former.
 
TAX ALERT!!

If this were really all about cutting speed , a cardboard cut out of a camera van would have the same purpose.

Some coward hiding in the back of a horse box is really just revenue collecting and meeting a target to boost the coffers.

"Prevention IS Worth a Pound of Cure"

Point out the blackspot , use the money collected from fines for driver education and improvements to the roads to help cut accidents.

The idea behind these sites they use is they are accident blackspots. being accident blackspots the majority of the general public would agree with measures to kerb further accidents happening.

Visable policing is the way to go. Everyone knows how the letter of the law is stuck to when the fuzz mobiles are about.
 
fuzzer said:
TAX ALERT!!

If this were really all about cutting speed , a cardboard cut out of a camera van would have the same purpose.
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That's not a bad point, but if someone was speeding and left it too late before slowing down they would never get a fine the lesson would soon be forgotten. - This is just another way of looking at it, thats all :)

I'd say cut out traffic wardens would be a better bet.
 
Dryce said:
My observation is that speeding and bad driving do, more often than not, go hand in hand.
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And my observation differs from yours. Most examples of bad driving I witness are entirely within the speed limit and range from inadequate observation and anticipation through tailgating, poor lane discipline, failure to use mirrors, failure to signal before changing direction, all the way through to plain old-fashioned aggressive behaviour where the driver tries to use their vehicle as a weapon against other road users.
Far from being appalling the UK has one of the best records for road injuries and fatalities in the world. And that's with a large increase in road users and an influx of foreign drivers over the last decade.
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It used to be the best in the world and continually improved year on year. It hasn't shown any meaningful improvement over the last ten years and we no longer have the accolade of having the best road safety record in the world either. And if circa 3,000 road deaths every year isn't appalling, I don't know what is.

Make the wrong diagnosis, dispense the wrong medicine and that's what you get. The fascination with speed limit adherence as a barometer of good driving has demonstrated itself to be a fatal mistake. How much longer do we have to put up with it?
 
As I understand it, 10,000 people a year die from infections they contract whilst undergoing treatment in british Hospitals. Where's the out cry ?
 
no cash to be made from that.

considering that mrsa is killing 2000 people a year and cdiff is killing 7000, twice more than RTA or global warming there would be more outcry towards this.
Ahh anyway no money to be made and hopitals have no plate numbers.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article3602788.ece

britain tops the euro league for road safety but do not seem to top for other things that kill more than roads.
If i recall someone said cars kill more than murderers and rapists so it is right for policy makers to concentrate energy on speeders.
Well hospitals kill more than cars so come on boys, do the right thing.
 
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chriswt said:
Now that’s a big old can of worms there.

In alot of cases you are right but I think speeding can only be judged case by case, road by road and is not so easy to generalise.

I would say that doing 5mph over the limit on a clear and wide rural road is, although technically speeding, far less dangerous than driving a driving at the legal limit of 30mph on a residential road in a built up area flanked by parked cars.
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In this case generalisation is appropriate.

If I was to survey a built up 30mph road where 30mph is not actually appropriate I'm pretty sure I'd find that there was a strong correllation between drivers using inappropriate speed on it (within the limit) and those going over the limit on other roads.
 
DaveK said:
As I understand it, 10,000 people a year die from infections they contract whilst undergoing treatment in british Hospitals. Where's the out cry ?
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There's no speeding involved.

Maybe if they contracted infections while driving home at speed from the hospital the rest of us might deign to consider an outcry.
 
st13phil said:
And if circa 3,000 road deaths every year isn't appalling, I don't know what is.
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It's at a socially acceptable level.

And relative to others (per mile / per journey / traffic density) it's not appalling - it's actually very good.

Can it be improved - perhaps. However the issue is perhaps stopping it from rising.
 
fuzzer said:
Visable policing is the way to go. Everyone knows how the letter of the law is stuck to when the fuzz mobiles are about.
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Maybe if they were consistent with the horse box approach then a few old empty horseboxes left around in odd places would be just as effective and not incur salary or pension or early retrirement due to stress costs.

If it worked we could expand the programme to have horsebox on every street corner and crime would drop.
 
Dryce said:
Maybe if they were consistent with the horse box approach then a few old empty horseboxes left around in odd places would be just as effective and not incur salary or pension or early retrirement due to stress costs.

If it worked we could expand the programme to have horsebox on every street corner and crime would drop.
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is that streight from the horses mouth?
 
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