Stop expanding the ULEZ to all the London boroughs in 2023

[markjay]

....start charging petrol, hybrids, and simple EV usage by mile or by area."

Fine with me

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Fine with me

Ditto.

When Grandma drives two miles across Epsom Downs to buy Grandpa some new Tena boxers, and then gets charged the same as an Albanian driving all over Central London eight hours a day, delivering Tena Pads to one hundred Amazon customers, there's something seriously wrong with Sadie's Socialist system.

 

[Darrell]

Ditto.

When Grandma drives two miles across Epsom Downs to buy Grandpa some new Tena boxers, and then gets charged the same as an Albanian driving all over Central London eight hours a day, delivering Tena Pads to one hundred Amazon customers, there's something seriously wrong with Sadie's Socialist system.

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Most grandmas I know but their stuff off Amazon.

 

[markjay]

Ditto.

When Grandma drives two miles across Epsom Downs to buy Grandpa some new Tena boxers, and then gets charged the same as an Albanian driving all over Central London eight hours a day, delivering Tena Pads to one hundred Amazon customers, there's something seriously wrong with Sadie's Socialist system.

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Cool... if I buy these boxers, I'll look like this guy?

If so then Ms MJ will buy me the entire vanload of boxers from the Albanian chap...

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Most grandmas I know but their stuff off Amazon.

Can’t assume that the whole of Greater London is as wise as our network…

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Cool... if I buy these boxers, I'll look like this guy?

What can I say?

“It worked for me..”

I’m just not sure how much that the Amazon driver reduced the pollution in Greater London.

But it’s debatable, on lots of different levels

 

[SpikyMikey]

Cool... if I buy these boxers, I'll look like this guy?

If so then Ms MJ will buy me the entire vanload of boxers from the Albanian chap...

I can match him for the grey bits, but not much else

 

[markjay]

https://pubsonline.informs.org/doi/10.1287/mnsc.2022.4643

 

[markjay]

Just saw a convoy of vans driving down Edgware Road sounding their horns and covered with "STOP KHAN" and "STOP ULEZ" signs.

 

[ALFAitalia]

I bet they got some toots of support from other drivers!

 

[Skd884]

Just saw a convoy of vans driving down Edgware Road sounding their horns and covered with "STOP KHAN" and "STOP ULEZ" signs.

Voting today Sir

MP: Give ministers power to overturn controversial ULEZ plans

MPs are discussing if minsters should be able to overturn plans to expand the ULEZ across all of Greater London in Parliament.

www.newsshopper.co.uk

 

[clk320x]

Just saw a convoy of vans driving down Edgware Road sounding their horns and covered with "STOP KHAN" and "STOP ULEZ" signs.

Seems like an unproductive use of time, perhaps they could use that time to raise some funds to buy a ULEZ compliant van.

 

[poormansporsche]

Seems like an unproductive use of time, perhaps they could use that time to raise some funds to buy a ULEZ compliant van.

It's not so easy with a van.

You can easily buy a ULEZ petrol car for 500 quid.

But replacing a 500 quid non ULEZ van with a quite possibly less reliable euro 6 is going to cost at least 10 grand which a lot of small businesses just cannot afford what with all the other £hite going on.

Citizen Khunt really should drive through his city at 4am once just to see the low paid type of people who get the city moving / stocked.

 

[Darrell]

Seems like an unproductive use of time, perhaps they could use that time to raise some funds to buy a ULEZ compliant van.

Or perhaps they’re using their own time to help out the people who can’t afford to chop in their vehicles to buy newer ones.

 

[Darrell]

Citizen Khunt really should drive through his city at 4am once just to see the low paid type of people who get the city moving / stocked.

Exactly this.

 

[clk320x]

It's not so easy with a van.

You can easily buy a ULEZ petrol car for 500 quid.

But replacing a 500 quid non ULEZ van with a quite possibly less reliable euro 6 is going to cost at least 10 grand which a lot of small businesses just cannot afford what with all the other £hite going on.

Citizen Khunt really should drive through his city at 4am once just to see the low paid type of people who get the city moving / stocked.

Which is why they have the option to pay the £12.50 fee rather than replace it until they can afford to do so?

I don’t agree that it’s justifiable to say that a scheme designed to improve air quality should be axed because a few people don’t want to/can’t change their £500 van. When running a business plenty of unexpected costs can arise and ULEZ introduction has been well publicised for years.

 

[clk320x]

Or perhaps they’re using their own time to help out the people who can’t afford to chop in their vehicles to buy newer ones.

and disadvantage peoples health? Any improvement in air quality is a good thing - especially in heavily populated cities such as London.

 

[Darrell]

and disadvantage peoples health? Any improvement in air quality is a good thing - especially in heavily populated cities such as London.

That’s of course unless you drive a black cab or you want to pay your way out.

It’s all about the money. ££££££

 

[Darrell]

Which is why they have the option to pay the £12.50 fee rather than replace it until they can afford to do so?

So it’s NOT about clean air is it?

 

[clk320x]

That’s of course unless you drive a black cab or you want to pay your way out.

It’s all about the money. ££££££

The ‘pay your way out’ is a deterrent - if you drive into London once a month there would be no real use in changing vehicle as you wouldn’t be impacted by paying the £12.50 and your vehicle wouldn’t add a considerable burden in terms of negative air quality.

If you drove in daily then it would cost you lots, meaning you’re likely to change vehicle as it’s economically viable/justifiable.