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The new car market is heavily dependent on business leases - my guess is that the majority of new EV registrations are in fact business leases (due to the low BIK). I wonder if this shows a downturn in the economy?
I would suggest that the entire EV market is distorted by taxation measures. Were they as good as is claimed, such measures would be unneccesary , neither would the manufactures have their begging bowls out !

Carmakers ramp up pressure on chancellor for EV sales subsidies
 
Latest 2024 YTD new car registration figures from the SMMT - BEV is at 17.8% market share (1.4% up on the same period in 2023). 22% market share for hybrids, and almost 54% for petrol.

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The data for vans hasn't yet been updated to include September.
 
Understood.
Don't think so.
So how do we help speed it up? Subsidies?
Speeding it up will only worsen the auto makers' plight. Delay at least permits them to sell what they can turn a profit on - ICE.
The elephant in the room is the fact that unless what is required is done a whole lot better than it currently is, strong economies and ecological concerns are mutually exclusive. Western economies prosper through continual consumption - the converse of what is required ecologically. They show no signs of being able to adapt.
 
I would suggest that the entire EV market is distorted by taxation measures. Were they as good as is claimed, such measures would be unneccesary , neither would the manufactures have their begging bowls out !

Carmakers ramp up pressure on chancellor for EV sales subsidies

But it's not unique to EVs.

Firstly, taxation (low BIK) was originally used to get business users to lease Diesel cars, and this goes back 10 or 15 years.

Then, the automotive industry has been suffering badly for a very long time. For some time now, the UK no longer has any independent car manufacturers, and in the US the three big automakers were already bailed out by the Federal government as early as 2010.

What you describe is true, but it's typical to the car industry and has happened before, I.e. none of what you describe is unique to EVs.

The issue here is that every time there's a issue related to EVs, the EV-bashers pounce on it as if it's something that only ever happened with EVs. Which, in this case, is obviously false.
 
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. As far as I know we have no measurable feedback that says we have slowed the rate of global warming by what we have done to date.
To date, we haven't scratched the surface of what is required. The majority of the public really aren't doing anything meaningful at the personal level to reduce their CO2 footprint. Please don't ask me what is required. The utilitarian answer to that question isn't one I'm proffering for at least a decade.
 
To date, we haven't scratched the surface of what is required. The majority of the public really aren't doing anything meaningful at the personal level to reduce their CO2 footprint. Please don't ask me what is required. The utilitarian answer to that question isn't one I'm proffering for at least a decade.

As a country we have been reducing our green house gas emissions steadily and they have halved in the last 30 years and they are still falling by more than 5 % per year. So that's more than scratched the surface at a personal level. At a personal level my heating emissions have come down by a factor of 3 in the last 30 years so I'm more than doing my bit

What it hasn't scratched the surface of is global warning as temperatures are still rising. That's what I was on about when I said there is no feedback that shows a result for our efforts.

It's in that light that I am alarmed at net zero zealotry which is going to wreck our economy and for what ? an outcome that isn't measurable. The thing about setting an example to the rest of the world is just nonsense. If we achieve net zero but wreck our economy then the world is hardly likely to follow our example and wreck their own.

Given that we can make precious little impact on global warming, the sensible thing for us to do is continue the good work of the last 30 years and steadily reduce our emissions in a rational manner without a major punitive effect on the economy. How is it our politicians can't see that.
 
Understood. So how do we help speed it up? Subsidies?
Well, we’ve got a useful precedent on subsidies and regulation

When British car manufacturing was struggling in the 1970’s we threw company car taxation, import taxes and enormous multi-billion pound subsidies at it - to steady the ship.

The intention being to fight off competition from foreign manufacturers and give the industry money and time to sort itself out.

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Interesting news today from SMMT.

"Private demand for new diesel cars is growing faster than for pure battery electrics, preliminary figures show.
The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) said registrations of new diesel cars for private buyers in September grew by around 17.2% compared with the same month in 2023, up 1,369 units.
That is compared with an approximately 3.7% year-on-year rise for pure battery electrics – up 430 units – despite heavy discounting by manufacturers."

Private demand for new diesel cars growing faster than for EVs
You do have to worry about the sanity of anyone buying a new car privately when there are such enormous discounts around on pre-registered and used

270k new sales, and diesels are just 8k units, although up 17%? Call it less than 3% of the market

I didn’t realise that private sales of diesels were so low. Thanks for highlighting.

Diesels aren’t dead, they’re “yearning for the Fjords”



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Ebay is banning the private sale of e-bikes and e-bike batteries from the end of this month due to the fire risk. From November only eligible business sellers will be allowed to list these bike shaped objects.

E-bikes: eBay to ban private sales over fire safety concerns
 
Ebay is banning the private sale of e-bikes and e-bike batteries from the end of this month due to the fire risk. From November only eligible business sellers will be allowed to list these bike shaped objects.

E-bikes: eBay to ban private sales over fire safety concerns

It would be good to know why e-bike and e-scooter batteries are exploding and catching fire at what appears to be a disproportionately high rate.

After all, Li-ion isn't new tech. We've had laptops, mobile phones, portable power tools, portable vacuum cleaners and obviously electric vehicles for many years now, and yet it seems that e-bikes and e-scooters are far more dangerous than other Li-ion powered devices.

So far, a hightend fire risks were always linked to a specific product or batch (e.g. Galaxy Note, HP ProBook, etc), which is something that can obviously happen when manufacturing products. But the exploding e-bikes and e-scooters are made by a variety of manufacturers, and so it's not clear why they fail at such an alarming rate compared to other Li-ion based products.
 
It would be good to know why e-bike and e-scooter batteries are exploding and catching fire at what appears to be a disproportionately high rate.

After all, Li-ion isn't new tech. We've had laptops, mobile phones, portable power tools, portable vacuum cleaners and obviously electric vehicles for many years now, and yet it seems that e-bikes and e-scooters are far more dangerous than other Li-ion powered devices.

So far, a hightend fire risks were always linked to a specific product or batch (e.g. Galaxy Note, HP ProBook, etc), which is something that can obviously happen when manufacturing products. But the exploding e-bikes and e-scooters are made by a variety of manufacturers, and so it's not clear why they fail at such an alarming rate compared to other Li-ion based products.
Perhaps multiple e-bike and e-scooter manufacturers riders utilise the same battery from the same battery manufacturer.
 
You do have to worry about the sanity of anyone buying a new car privately when there are such enormous discounts around on pre-registered and used

270k new sales, and diesels are just 8k units, although up 17%? Call it less than 3% of the market

I didn’t realise that private sales of diesels were so low. Thanks for highlighting.

Diesels aren’t dead, they’re “yearning for the Fjords”



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Diesels are still popular for a 'range' of reasons. The latest ones are cleaner than a very clean thing, if not quite supplying the 'zero' inner city emissions of an EV.
I do like to buck a trend and plough my own furrow. I know EVs are renowned for being very heavy, but my EV is just half the weight of my other ICE car....
Why must people generalise? Currently, (I use the word advisedly) we have a choice of EV or ICE. Treasure that choice and use it wisely.
 
Ebay is banning the private sale of e-bikes and e-bike batteries from the end of this month due to the fire risk. From November only eligible business sellers will be allowed to list these bike shaped objects.

E-bikes: eBay to ban private sales over fire safety concerns
Despite the headline, it should be remembered that the only legal e-bikes in the UK are those that are speed limited to 15.5 mph.

“If” (cough) you’ve ever seen an electric bike go faster than 15mph, it’s been illegally modified. It’s easily done, I had two excellent ones seven years ago. A Kalkhoff and a Haibike.

Who’s to say what’s causing the fires: Build or usage? But there are an awful lot of Micky mouse imports being ridden by delivery services and “hard-working young students and workers.”
 
Diesels are still popular for a 'range' of reasons. The latest ones are cleaner than a very clean thing, if not quite supplying the 'zero' inner city emissions of an EV.
I do like to buck a trend and plough my own furrow. I know EVs are renowned for being very heavy, but my EV is just half the weight of my other ICE car....
Why must people generalise? Currently, (I use the word advisedly) we have a choice of EV or ICE. Treasure that choice and use it wisely.

For sure. Thank you for supporting my generalisation that private buyers are buying near new or second user. Generalising, new Diesels and EVs are easily sold to companies first, and, as you’ve demonstrated with your two fantastic vehicles, can be bought at phenomenal discounts by private buyers later.

And anyone working near farm, haulage, or marine businesses will always be “drawn” to using diesel for their private runabouts. (So “convenient.”)

In just the same way that anyone with an office or light industrial unit will find it “useful” to have an EV charger cable around “for visitors”.”
 

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