The EV fact thread

[BTB 500]

I am currently away. Last I spoke with the dealer, they said that it took their techs two days to download and install six missing software updates, which is the standard first step. My 2021 car is an early model and does not have full OTA (which Teslas do have), and so the out-of-date software packages tend to accumulate until the car sees the dealer. They said that the software updates were successful, but didn't fix the issue. Apparently they have since opened a 'technical case' with Hyundai and are awaiting their instructions.

I told them that I will be back in the UK in early March, and they have until then to try and fix it... In the mean time I get notifications on my app from time to time that the car is being charged, so they must be doing something with it

From reading online, it's definitely a cell imbalance issue - though the resolution is unclear. They may be able to rebalance the cells using some software trickery, or they may need to replace one module, or they may need to replace the entire battery pack... no idea.

Hope you get it sorted ... it's due to go back fairly soon IIRC? Presumably you'd be given a courtesy car if/when you need one.

 

[markjay]

Hope you get it sorted ... it's due to go back fairly soon IIRC? Presumably you'd be given a courtesy car if/when you need one.

Thanks. Yes, it's going back in September.

I don't usually ask for courtesy cars, because living in Central London I'll need to temporarily move my Resident Parking Permit from my car to the courtesy car, and so I just don't bother. It would be nice to receive some refund from the finance provider though (technically, it's their car), however it's a business lease and so I'm not sure if I am entitled to anything (Consumer Rights legislation does not apply).

 

[BTB 500]

It would be nice to receive some refund from the finance provider though (technically, it's their car), however it's a business lease and so I'm not sure if I am entitled to anything (Consumer Rights legislation does not apply).

Seems fundamentally wrong for even a company to be paying for something they don't have the use of (through no fault of their own) The guy here whose leased EQC needed a replacement battery last year did get a loan car straight away, but I don't know if that was business or personal. IIRC he was still waiting for his car back 3 months later ... we never did hear what happened in the end.

 

[GrahamT]

 

[Will]

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Yeah - and why not stick the exhaust into the cabin as a heating system too!

 

[Bellow]

Yeah - and why not stick the exhaust into the cabin as a heating system too!

Indeed!

 

[Will]

Indeed!

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Almost!

 

[markjay]

Elon Musk is putting buyers off Tesla, survey reveals | Electrifying.com

Electrifying.com survey shows 60% of car buyers are put off Tesla due to Elon Musk’s actions

www.electrifying.com

"Tesla’s CEO, Elon Musk, might be losing the brand its edge in the competitive electric vehicle market, according to new research from Electrifying.com. In the survey, 60% of car buyers now say Musk’s controversial reputation actively puts them off buying a Tesla.

This sentiment spans both current EV owners and those planning to make the switch to electric, with 59% of each group admitting Musk’s influence has become a dealbreaker.

Meanwhile, Chinese EV manufacturers are rapidly gaining traction among UK buyers. The study shows 61% of EV owners and 56% of potential buyers are open to purchasing from a Chinese brand—a significant shift as perceptions of quality and affordability improve."

 

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In the survey, 60% of car buyers now say Musk’s controversial reputation actively puts them off buying a Tesla.

That says as much about the people surveyed as it does about Musk.

Meanwhile, Chinese EV manufacturers are rapidly gaining traction among UK buyers. The study shows 61% of EV owners and 56% of potential buyers are open to purchasing from a Chinese brand—a significant shift as perceptions of quality and affordability improve."

And those same people who turn their nose up at Musk are happy to buy from an oppressive dictatorship ?

Me thinks they have weak morals and the truth is they just can't afford a Tesla. They prefer the cheaper Chinese cars and I suspect they deserve each other.

 

[ALFAitalia]

To be fair I would not buy any car connected to Musk even if it was British made, ICE powered and cost £4.50..... the man is a complete c0ck! I just didn't realise how much of one until recently.
Just to be clear I would not buy a Chinese one either.

But.......

And those same people who turn their nose up at Musk are happy to buy from an oppressive dictatorship ?

There are hundreds of automobile manufacturers operating in China, the country with the largest automotive industry in the world. It includes state-owned manufacturers, privately owned manufacturers, foreign manufacturers, and joint ventures between local and foreign manufacturers.

The people making them are not dictators and many are not government run or backed.

 

[clk320x]

Refusing to buy a Tesla because you don’t like Musk while driving a Mercedes is kinda ironic. One guy tweets weird stuff, the other has a history tied to, well… way worse things. If we’re boycotting brands for ethics, let’s at least be consistent.

 

[markjay]

...There are hundreds of automobile manufacturers operating in China, the country with the largest automotive industry in the world. It includes state-owned manufacturers, privately owned manufacturers, foreign manufacturers, and joint ventures between local and foreign manufacturers.

The people making them are not dictators and many are not government run or backed.

That's inaccurate. The Chinese government has been heavily subsidising, directly and indirectly, both their domestic and export electric vehicles production. You simply can't buy an 'untainted' Chinese EV....

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Refusing to buy a Tesla because you don’t like Musk while driving a Mercedes is kinda ironic. One guy tweets weird stuff, the other has a history tied to, well… way worse things. If we’re boycotting brands for ethics, let’s at least be consistent.

Are you referring to tyre skip - I mean completely unacceptable “crabbing” - and if so, then that was pretty bad

 

[Bellow]

Not the answer Lister would have wanted but an answer.

Opinion: How will ZEV mandate and 2035 ICE ban affect small car makers? | Autocar

Emissions regs pose a real challenge for car makers like Caterham

www.autocar.co.uk

 

[markjay]

Not the answer Lister would have wanted but an answer.

Opinion: How will ZEV mandate and 2035 ICE ban affect small car makers? | Autocar

Emissions regs pose a real challenge for car makers like Caterham

www.autocar.co.uk

I don't think that the government is bothered by the current low volume of small bespoke cars that are being added to our roads every year.

My guess is that this legislation is meant to stop shrewd businessmen from building a new ICE industry of 'low volume' manufacturers after 2035.

I suppose you could set up a string of small manufacturers building kit cars 'to order' - there will definitely be a market for it.

 

[BTB 500]

Interesting Harry's Garage on the state of the car market and EV transition:

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[Mactech]

Interesting Harry's Garage on the state of the car market and EV transition:

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Yes, Harry does talk a lot of sense. He probably doesn't have quite the whole picture as things like changes of world leaders is out of his control.
However, it's likely the most balanced and understanding view of what is going on with the EV/ICE conundrum that we are going to see at the moment.

 

[Dryce]

Yes, Harry does talk a lot of sense. He probably doesn't have quite the whole picture as things like changes of world leaders is out of his control.
However, it's likely the most balanced and understanding view of what is going on with the EV/ICE conundrum that we are going to see at the moment.

The French taxation situation is interesting.

The problem with hybrid is that despite his enthusiasm for them - they are heavy. And still premium. And allegedly a proportion of PHEV owners just don't bother to plug them in enough.

A pragmatic solution might be to encourage hybrids and meter them - legislating that there is an internal logging setup recording the battery usage and if the battery isn't sufficiently charged and used - either adding a VED supplement - or doing it the opposite way offering a rebate if the battery utilisation is sufficient.

 

[Bellow]

The French taxation situation is interesting.

And creating more suitable cars eg, Renault 5?

The problem with hybrid is that despite his enthusiasm for them - they are heavy. And still premium. And allegedly a proportion of PHEV owners just don't bother to plug them in enough.

Some, as per pure EV, will still struggle to charge at home. Driving to a charge point then home again isn't as viable with a short electric range relative to pure EV. Right now though, the public appear more receptive to them than to pure EV.

A pragmatic solution might be to encourage hybrids and meter them - legislating that there is an internal logging setup recording the battery usage and if the battery isn't sufficiently charged and used - either adding a VED supplement - or doing it the opposite way offering a rebate if the battery utilisation is sufficient.

I like the idea but fear come evaluation time there will be those plugging in and driving around needlessly just to make the numbers. When that is done on electricity generated from burning gas, I see feet with bullet holes. We've been here before - and with the same cohort (take the tax break and piss all over it).

 

[markjay]

The French taxation situation is interesting.

The problem with hybrid is that despite his enthusiasm for them - they are heavy. And still premium. And allegedly a proportion of PHEV owners just don't bother to plug them in enough.

A pragmatic solution might be to encourage hybrids and meter them - legislating that there is an internal logging setup recording the battery usage and if the battery isn't sufficiently charged and used - either adding a VED supplement - or doing it the opposite way offering a rebate if the battery utilisation is sufficient.

I think that the key issue with hybrids is the unnecessary complexity of having two propulsion systems. But hybrids do make sense as a stop-gap measure until such time that everyone can charge their EVs either near their home or along the route, etc. In this respect, hybrids should replace pure-ICE cars for those who do not have suitable charging solutions yet. But long-term, there's no logic in having a hybrid once charging is amply available.