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The EV fact thread

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 179817" data-quote="Wombat457" data-source="post: 3351835" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3351835" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3351835">Wombat457 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> SO far as I am concerned - this EV rubbish is exactly that - rubbish! People jumping up and down (politicians mainly) trying to convince us that getting rid of petroleum vehicles will save the planet blah blah blah. Fact, this is all designed to put money into the pockets of the likes of Musk and the automotive industry and nopthing more.<br /> <br /> They want to make everyone drive an ev thing by year XXXX - hmm, and who is going to force us to buy the things? Are governments going to reimburse us for the money we forked out to buy our current vehicles? NO! Oh and when are these same hypocrits going to force other areas to go EV, you know such as Trucks (all trucks) Buses, Trains (yeah - I can just see govs forking out to electrify rail routes nation wide, especially in the US, Europe and Australia lol); then there are planes and ships and what gov is going to do away with all of its military assets just to appease a handful of greenies and corporate theives? Then of course there are the dumb things like generators, weed eaters, motor mowers etc etc etc. Sure some of them exist but are in the minority because of the price of batteries etc. Speaking of which - mosdt countries are incapable of maintaining a 100% reliable electric grid NOW - imagine the kaos when electricity is the B al and End All of everything??? Emergency vehicles stranded on the side of the road with people dying all around them because the power grid failed because some idiot driving a Telsa relied on the cars ability to drive itself and rammed a power pole!!!!<br /> <br /> Yep, gotta love this EV rubbish idea, a whole lotta thought has gone into it all hey.<br /> <br /> Look - if people want to produce these things then fine, let them. If people want to fork out rediculous amounts to drive them and think they are doing the world a favor than that is fine as well - their perogative BUT, when governments start trying to force people, that is another thing and what really needs to be addressed. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>So, basically you’re agreeing with most of the folks participating in this thread.<br /> <br /> Excellent. Welcome to The Gang !</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">For every idiot replacing a perfectly serviceable diesel or petrol with a hybrid or EV, isn’t there also a canny soul rubbing his hands together and saying <br /> <br /> “Eh up, I can buy this well made rather nice motor and drive it all the way up to 250,000 even more cheaply now..”</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 102533" data-quote="MikeInWimbledon" data-source="post: 3351845" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3351845" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3351845">MikeInWimbledon said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> So, basically you’re agreeing with most of the folks participating in this thread.<br /> <br /> Excellent. Welcome to The Gang ! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Apparently so - yep and ahh yep to the other post as well ... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 102533" data-quote="MikeInWimbledon" data-source="post: 3351846" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3351846" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3351846">MikeInWimbledon said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> For every idiot replacing a perfectly serviceable diesel or petrol with a hybrid or EV, isn’t there also a canny soul rubbing his hands together and saying<br /> <br /> “Eh up, I can buy this well made rather nice motor and drive it all the way up to 250,000 even more cheaply now..” </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I like how you think - deviously <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 151154" data-quote="SgtSlow" data-source="post: 3351812" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3351812" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3351812">SgtSlow said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Speed limits (and all laws and regulations) exist only because pis-taking idiots do.<br /> <br /> I tend to ignore them, and drive at speeds which I deem appropriate. <br /> <br /> Past a school at the kicking out time, probably way under the posted limit. Empty stretch of M6 on a warm and dry summer night… well, I’ll leave that to your imaginations, have </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Every 5 years when my FAC gets renewed, I am being asked about any traffic offence I was convicted off. The connection, as explained to me, is that someone who displays a pattern of disregard to the law will not be granted a firearm permit. I have to say that I agree with this approach. Good luck with your speeding.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 151154" data-quote="SgtSlow" data-source="post: 3351812" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3351812" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3351812">SgtSlow said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Speed limits (and all laws and regulations) exist only because pis-taking idiots do.<br /> <br /> I tend to ignore them, and drive at speeds which I deem appropriate.<br /> <br /> Past a school at the kicking out time, probably way under the posted limit. Empty stretch of M6 on a warm and dry summer night… well, I’ll leave that to your imaginations, have </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Ohh the things that COULD be said - especially regarding the &quot;pis-taking idiots&quot; .... and I will THAT to YOUR imaginations <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 179817" data-quote="Wombat457" data-source="post: 3351850" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3351850" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3351850">Wombat457 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I like how you think - deviously <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Just a bloke who likes to <br /> “Refuse, Maintain, Reduce, Reuse, &amp; Recycle”<br /> <br /> But you got hate false, easily disproved, arguments about new tech.<br /> <br /> Like people will want secondhand EV’s when they come off lease, or come out of warranty<br /> <br /> Or that a new petrol hybrid doing 45mpg, replacing a diesel hybrid doing 45mpg in a rural area is “saving the planet.”<br /> <br /> Or that old vehicles doing a couple of thousand miles a year should be road taxed or ULEZ’d out of existence…</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Wow this thread has really gone downhill! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 307" data-quote="Will" data-source="post: 3351855" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3351855" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3351855">Will said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Wow this thread has really gone downhill! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> It's gaining momentum.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I thought the whole idea of this thread was to post facts? It seems to have become a platform for people to moan about choices, opinions, scepticism and political views etc.<br /> <br /> Plenty of politics threads and stuff for those sorts of posts.<br /> <br /> Oh well! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 102533" data-quote="MikeInWimbledon" data-source="post: 3351854" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3351854" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3351854">MikeInWimbledon said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Just a bloke who likes to<br /> “Refuse, Maintain, Reduce, Reuse, &amp; Recycle”<br /> <br /> But you got hate false, easily disproved, arguments about new tech.<br /> <br /> Like people will want secondhand EV’s when they come off lease, or come out of warranty<br /> <br /> Or that a new petrol hybrid doing 45mpg, replacing a diesel hybrid doing 45mpg in a rural area is “saving the planet.”<br /> <br /> Or that old vehicles doing a couple of thousand miles a year should be road taxed or ULEZ’d out of existence… </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I'm not strictly opposed to &quot;new tech&quot; per se so long as it serves a purpose other than lining someones pockets. <br /> <br /> Unfortunately the vast majorioty of new tech has served very little &quot;useful purpose&quot;. Computers were suppose to make life easy - all they did was make us stand in check out lines longer and increased white collar crime putting our very existence in jeopardy. Most other &quot;new tech&quot; stuff merely serves to make us more lazy like all the computery in cars that &quot;supposedly checks our oil levels, tire pressures etc. and remote controls and voice activated stuff etc etc etc. I STILL check my oil, tires, coolant, washer fluids etc etc manually because that is what I was taught to do and I sure as heck DO NOT rely upon, nor trust, a damn computer. <br /> <br /> Now we have cars that can supposedly drive themselves for people who cant drive and/or can't be bothered learning how to drive. Ask Musk and those who have had loved ones killed how that worked out ...<br /> <br /> New tech is great for the minority of people world wide, as it is generally speaking the minority of people (the 20 - 35 yo age group) that actually gives a damn about it and who need (for some reason) to have it. The irony is that with each piece of &quot;new tech&quot; there will come another &quot;new peice of tech&quot; to supercede it and that, I am sure, will be the way of these EV's. <br /> <br /> My philosophy is simple - if it aint broke - don't fix it. Unfortunately common sense and logic doesn't play apart in politics or corporate anywhere <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><br /> <br /> Anyway - I could go on and on about why EV's are a joke and a rather nice source of hypocracy, especially when there are so many other things that could be done to &quot;save the world&quot; but perhaps another time in another thread <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 307" data-quote="Will" data-source="post: 3351871" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3351871" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3351871">Will said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I thought the whole idea of this thread was to post facts? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>And that Sir, is what is happening ... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 179817" data-quote="Wombat457" data-source="post: 3351877" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3351877" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3351877">Wombat457 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> And that Sir, is what is happening ... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Nothing you’ve said is factual. It’s just your rather cynical opinion.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Just because the contributions of others may not support your views and or opinions - doesn't make those contributions less factual.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 179817" data-quote="Wombat457" data-source="post: 3351876" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3351876" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3351876">Wombat457 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I could go on and on about why EV's are a joke and a rather nice source of hypocracy, especially when there are so many other things that could be done to &quot;save the world&quot; but perhaps another time in another thread </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>....what by talking even more virtually fact free BS like in most of your other anti EV posts. I don't like EVs and won't ever own one......but even I would not post most of your nonsense....another newb for the &quot;ignore&quot; list!</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 179817" data-quote="Wombat457" data-source="post: 3351886" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3351886" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3351886">Wombat457 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Just because the contributions of others may not support your views and or opinions - doesn't make those contributions less factual. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Correct, but there’s a difference between fact and opinion. Your views are your opinion.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 179817" data-quote="Wombat457" data-source="post: 3351876" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3351876" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3351876">Wombat457 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Computers were suppose to make life easy - all they did was make us stand in check out lines longer and increased white collar crime putting our very existence in jeopardy. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>For example this…. <br /> <br /> So computers haven’t made life easier? Are you for real?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Might not be too late to change the title?<br /> <br /> ‘Grumpy old men’s/technophobe’s/conspiracy theorist’s reluctance to embrace change discussion thread’<br /> <br /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /><br /> <br /> Seriously though, I’ve noticed a trend whereby people - many of them of a certain demographic - are sceptical of all forms of change, not just limited to EVs.<br /> <br /> I mean, do you guys still use cheques instead of online banking?<br /> <br /> T-cut and Turtlewax instead of ceramic coating?<br /> <br /> Coal fires and an aga instead of an air fryer?<br /> <br /> Secretly browsing MB Club on your Atari ST connected to a CRT monochrome display? Oh wait, they don’t like computers.<br /> <br /> The irony of them posting on a computerised forum is quite good though! <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤣" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f923.png" title="Rolling on the floor laughing :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /><br /> <br /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">This is the usual &quot;Question asked and answered&quot; type of discussion,, Where statements are assigned to EV owners which they don't make. EV's are not going to save the world from atmospheric pollution and climate change - no one is asserting that- what they are very good at is reducing atmospheric pollution by vehicles in areas of dense population-They have yet to be beaten in that particular scenario.</div>
 
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