The EV fact thread

[clk320x]

as long as you change the oil every 3,000 miles

Blimey. This sounds prehistoric nowadays.

 

[Will]

Because i can risk-manage myself?

I'm not even doing the posted speed limit in a lot of cases - weather, traffic, road conditions etc - so while it's the maximum you are lowed to drive, it's not a target.

But if you're really suggesting that any speed over the posted speed limit is inherently unacceptably dangerous at any time, we have opinions about such things as to be unresolvably different.

No I’m not suggesting that, and I’m not sure how you concluded that I might be from the post you quoted.


I bet those p***-taking idiots believe that they can risk manage themselves too, so are there any other differences between you choosing to drive at any speed you decide and a p***-taking idiot doing the same?

Going back to the psychology at play here, there seems to be a general trend on this thread amongst some people who:

- Don't like change
- Don’t like being told what to do

Unfortunately change is inevitable in life and in a civilised world rules are required. You can’t pick and choose which laws you want to break.

I’m not professing to be perfect myself but in life you sometimes need to embrace change or at the very least accept that it’s coming.

Digging your head in the sand or getting angry about it doesn’t really help

 

[Will]

Blimey. This sounds prehistoric nowadays.

The ICE brigade don’t have time to wait for a quick charge up but can find time to service the engine every 3000 miles

 

[Bellow]

I don’t think it’s anyone who isn’t against EVs that suffers from angst, on the contrary it’s more likely this for those who have an irrational fear of change?

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'Fear of change' is a lame excuse to counter legitimate concerns. Medicalising those legitimate concerns into a psychological disorder is gas lighting.
Changing the method of vehicle propulsion in any case is a small change. It is changing diet, taking a stance on flying, relinquishing pet ownership, etc, etc - they are the changes that are more meaningful in reducing CO2 emissions and where the real inertia is. Take a look at the jokes thread to see the view on vegans/vegetarians. Being mocked for your choices is where the 'fear of change' is - for the spineless that is.

 

[clk320x]

The ICE brigade don’t have time to wait for a quick charge up but can find time to service the engine every 3000 miles

 

[Bellow]

The ICE brigade don’t have time to wait for a quick charge up but can find time to service the engine every 3000 miles

I leave my servicing for a day I'm not trying to travel anywhere. Same can't be said for recharging an EV.

 

[ChipChop]

Blimey. This sounds prehistoric nowadays.

It is very easy. Even an idiot could do an oil change thanks to pela pumps or a Lidl electric pump. Mercedes even put the oil filter housing easily accessible at the top of the engine so no scrabbling underneath. User friendly design.

What do you do when your Tesla breaks down, scratch your head?

 

[190]

No the politicians are all very quiet on matters Net Zero. Probably not a vote winner even though the UK is now legally obliged.

They might well be quiet as they know we are the first G20 country to half our emissions. Other than the net zero secretory who of course can't help but do it, the government isn't celebrating too loudly because it could be construed as evidence of being overly zealous at the expense of the economy and our pockets, neither of which is a vote winner at the present time.


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[clk320x]

'Fear of change' is a lame excuse to counter legitimate concerns. Medicalising those legitimate concerns into a psychological disorder is gas lighting.
Changing the method of vehicle propulsion in any case is a small change. It is changing diet, taking a stance on flying, relinquishing pet ownership, etc, etc - they are the changes that are more meaningful in reducing CO2 emissions and where the real inertia is. Take a look at the jokes thread to see the view on vegans/vegetarians. Being mocked for your choices is where the 'fear of change' is - for the spineless that is.

Oh dear. Once again you’ve missed the point.

While changes in personal habits like diet, flying, and pet ownership certainly contribute to reducing carbon emissions, transitioning to electric vehicles (EVs) plays a crucial role in addressing the broader environmental impact.

The transportation sector is a major contributor to CO2 emissions, and adopting EVs helps to directly mitigate this impact. It not only reduces greenhouse gas emissions but also encourages advancements in clean energy infrastructure, fostering a more sustainable future.

Not to mention, the main advantage of electric vehicles being they effectively move harmful exhaust emissions away from heavily populated town centres.

I’ve also previously shown just how clean the UK grid already is…and it gets cleaner year on year… so the excuse that electricity is generated by fossil fuels just doesn’t wash anymore.

 

[clk320x]

It is very easy. Even an idiot could do an oil change thanks to pela pumps or a Lidl electric pump. Mercedes even put the oil filter housing easily accessible at the top of the engine so no scrabbling underneath. User friendly design.

What do you do when your Tesla breaks down, scratch your head?

What % of the UK population maintain/repair their own cars?

And to answer your second question….

Nothing that’s gone wrong with my Tesla has stopped me driving, bar a coil spring… which could affect any car.

It’s been the most reliable car I’ve owned and required the least maintenance. Many trouble free miles since purchase.

No routine maintenance required every 3000 miles to keep it working.

Doing an oil change every 3k miles on a daily driver just sounds ridiculous in 2023. Unless it’s a high performance garage queen I don’t think anyone could be bothered.

 

[clk320x]

I leave my servicing for a day I'm not trying to travel anywhere. Same can't be said for recharging an EV.

How many times a month do you drive more than 200-300 miles from home without stopping?

 

[Will]

I leave my servicing for a day I'm not trying to travel anywhere. Same can't be said for recharging an EV.

You still have to buy/store the oil and oil filter, perform the extraction and refill, dispose of the old oil and filter and clean up. Store the equipment/tools needed. Plus the time associated with all of this.

It’s honestly not an issue to me, I do work on cars myself too, but not many people do these days. Most people don’t even wash their own cars!

Plugging in a charge cable at home or at a fast charger isn’t an issue either.

The point was making is that people will quickly point of the drawbacks of something that they don’t like and gloss over any that affect their own choice, to justify that decision. Isn’t this called confirmation bias or something like that?

 

[Will]

How many times a month do you drive more than 200-300 miles from home without stopping?

All those round trips to buy oil and oil filter than back to the recycling centre to dump the old oil?

 

[MeQ]

I leave my servicing for a day I'm not trying to travel anywhere. Same can't be said for recharging an EV.

Mine charged while I slept last night

 

[ChipChop]

What % of the UK population maintain/repair their own cars?

And to answer your second question….

Nothing that’s gone wrong with my Tesla has stopped me driving, bar a coil spring… which could affect any car.

It’s been the most reliable car I’ve owned and required the least maintenance. Many trouble free miles since purchase.

No routine maintenance required every 3000 miles to keep it working.

Doing an oil change every 3k miles on a daily driver just sounds ridiculous in 2023. Unless it’s a high performance garage queen I don’t think anyone could be bothered.

A Tesla then appears to be the ideal car for someone who has little to no interest in cars, like yourself.

 

[clk320x]

I remember seeing this tweet by Musk a while ago (attached)… I don’t agree or disagree with this by the way - I’m just sharing what I saw…

However it does on the whole seem to be a generational divide? Certain age dynamics seem to generally be more accepting and embracing of change in general as well as EVs.

Perhaps biologically it’s due to changes in neuro-plasticity or maybe just the romanticism of growing up surrounded by ICE vehicles?

We get a lot of requests from schools and universities on the EV Owners Group for members to visit with their cars on special event days etc and on the whole it seems the newer generations are massively open and embracing of electric vehicles - which some argue is fundamentally all that matters in the long term…

 

[clk320x]

A Tesla then appears to be the ideal car for someone who has little to no interest in cars, like yourself.

What do you define as ‘interest in cars’?

I love cars - owned plenty of high performance cars and enjoyed every second, modified them cosmetically and performance wise etc..

But yes, I’m not interested in driving an old oil burner which needs an oil change every 3000 miles when newer technology exists that is better in practically every way.

I’ve always said I’m still a fan of the romanticism of a big V8/10/12 - but ultimately they are a dying breed now. Which is sad.

 

[Will]

'Fear of change' is a lame excuse to counter legitimate concerns. Medicalising those legitimate concerns into a psychological disorder is gas lighting.
Changing the method of vehicle propulsion in any case is a small change. It is changing diet, taking a stance on flying, relinquishing pet ownership, etc, etc - they are the changes that are more meaningful in reducing CO2 emissions and where the real inertia is. Take a look at the jokes thread to see the view on vegans/vegetarians. Being mocked for your choices is where the 'fear of change' is - for the spineless that is.

Fear of change or reluctance to change habits is a real thing.

I’m certain of this - that is not to say that some changes can be good as well as bad, but some people will not want to change regardless.

‘Old habits die hard’

We live in a world whereby many people work almost on auto pilot. From their morning routine, to the way that they get to their place of work. Nothing is challenged - why should it be?

Challenging a habit and realising that there are better possibilities isn’t a bad thing IMO.

If you perform a logical analysis and reach a conclusion that makes sense then fair enough. My opinion is that many don’t, they form a pre-conceived idea of the possible change and then proceed to stick with that conclusion in their mind.

For clarity - I don’t own an EV. Never had a car on finance, only leased one car in over twenty years of driving (it was a superb deal, that’s why!). I don’t own a diesel car and never have done.

I love V8s and high performance ICE engines but accept that times are changing and I am genuinely excited for the future of motoring. Some EVs are already great at the moment and they are getting better very quickly.

Look how fast technology develops. Surely you own a smartphone and a computer, watch digital TV, use cordless power tools, and sometimes try new ways of doing things (like your extraction pump rather than scraping around under your car to drain the oil! )

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

And that's why we have rules mate. I've never been involved in an accident. I sometimes drive 50t trucks, sometimes a 200hp motorcycle.

We can disagree and that's great, but the fact remains that, I'll drive to a speed I'm comfortable with.

Disagree on what, and which is the fact that remains?

 

[clk320x]

Disagree on what, and what’s the fact that remains?

I think the fact is: others who speed are p***takers but when he does it it’s fine?