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The EV fact thread

No-one drives just 100 miles with their caravan for Easter. Scotland and Cornwall are miles away.

And then there's skiing in the Alps
 
If possible, certainly.
Life in London is tough.

You can have garaging and parking for five vehicles, but often only two have immediate access to the street. The others are boxed in..

If you see Simon Cowell have a chat with him about it. Such problems even with a decent sized Holland Park House

You folks in the country have it so easy.
 
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Yes sure there will often be ways to manage it, depending on how much charge people need next day. But having to go out late at night to shuffle cars around wouldn't be ideal (particularly if it's raining :D). Depending on insurance etc. you might need both drivers to be involved.
How many ifs are there in this hypothetical scenario you have in mind?

If no ICEs in the household, and if three EVs in the household, and if only one parking space, and if other parking locations don’t have power, and iif more than one of those EVs need to be charged simultaneously, and if EVs need to receive more charge than charging time allows, and if need to shuffle cars late, and if raining, and if the driver is not insured to drive both cars, and if using a public charging point is unaffordable even if required by exception only, and if the day of the week has “day” in it, then EVs aren’t viable.

OK I made the last one up but you have suggested the rest of those “if” statements in the last few posts in this thread. If all of the above if statements apply and are are a regular occurrence then the hypothetical household might want to consider switching one of the three EVs for an ICE.
 
Isn't the point that using public chargers currently makes most EVs more expensive per mile than an equivalent ICE car? That may not be an issue for most people active on this thread, but it will be for many others.

It's true, but only at one edge of the use spectrum. For most people, the overall cost-per-mile will be a mixture of different charging costs.

I.e., it will be rare for a driver to use ultrafast motorway chargers exclusively. The more likely situation will be charging at home for most of the time, occasionally charging at public chargers in the street or car parks, and occasionally charging at ultrafast chargers at motorway services.

If we take an average cost of (say) 40p per kWh, and an average of 3 or 4 m/kWh, this gives an average cost per mile of 10 to 15 (rounded up) p per mile. Of course, this average will vary widely depending on summer/winter driving, city/motorway driving, etc.

But, again, yes, for those whose driving pattern requires charging solely or mostly at motorway services, the cost per mile will be higher than for an ICE car. However, equally, the Rodney Trotters of this world will never charge the car for anything but the lowest possible tariff...............
 
Really? 125 miles given here, pulling just 1300 kg. That's from full charge down to 5%. Also towing at 45 mph is mentioned :D

Don't forget that unless you are on dual carriageways or motorway 50 mph is the legal max when towing.... so you would be very lucky to get a 45mph average. 60 mph otherwise. A good towing average over a mixed roads distance is 40 mph.
There are several YT videos of people towing well over 125 miles with the right EV.
 
Don't forget that unless you are on dual carriageways or motorway 50 mph is the legal max when towing.... so you would be very lucky to get a 45mph average. 60 mph otherwise. A good towing average over a mixed roads distance is 40 mph.
There are several YT videos of people towing well over 125 miles with the right EV.
What make and model is the right EV for towing? I only ask as EV's are to all intents and purposes an illogical solution to an imaginary problem.
 
I'll repeat something that has been said before....

If you told people in the early years of the 20th century that one day every family will have a car or two... you'd have heard the very same arguments that are currently being made against EVs.

I.e., that there's not enough oil in the world to make the fuel needed, that there's no way to refine so much oil, that there's no way to distribute it, etc. Then, they'd calculate that there won't be enough petrol stations for everyone and that cars won't have sufficient range to reach the nearest petrol station.... and of course that they'll catch fire....

The only reason these arguments were never made is that 120 years ago no one envisioned a world where (almost) everyone has a car.
 
33mpg from this superb vehicle towing 1400kg+
 
Don't forget that unless you are on dual carriageways or motorway 50 mph is the legal max when towing.... so you would be very lucky to get a 45mph average. 60 mph otherwise. A good towing average over a mixed roads distance is 40 mph.
There are several YT videos of people towing well over 125 miles with the right EV.

The Tesla owners forum thread I linked to referred to towing at 45 mph in a 70 limit rather than achieving a 45 mph average (although on a long trip using US highways I suspect that would be easily achievable).

Of course the Model X is a £90-100k car, which would be way out of reach for most people (older models have less range). What's the "right EV" that can tow a reasonable sized family caravan (say 1500 kg) well over 125 miles without costing a small fortune? 125 miles is still a pretty miserable range in the context of many caravan trips, and en-route charging may not be so simple while towing.
 
Even 125 miles is pretty good. It’s also better than the 100 miles you mentioned in a diesel Range Rover.

My mention of 100 miles was a tongue in cheek reference to towing with an equivalent EV instead. I imagine a diesel RR would do three times that - we can certainly tow 250 miles with plenty in reserve using our 3 litre Vito (making "good progress" all the way - mostly motorway and dual carriageway).
 
Due to the recent spate of deaduns within my neighbours I'm currently having to rotate my tip cars on their properties just to give the illusion of being habited.

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My dad's house was unoccupied for almost 3 years after he died, which was a huge worry for us and the neighbours.
 
Thought this was an interesting news story ... Geely/Renault are launching an ICE hybrid unit designed as a direct bolt-in replacement for a BEV drive motor:

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Presumably to capitalise on other manufacturers following Fiat's example of retro-fitting an ICE into their pure BEV 500e.

 
Thought this was an interesting news story ... Geely/Renault are launching an ICE hybrid unit designed as a direct bolt-in replacement for a BEV drive motor:

The Geeley/Renault company "Horse" sounded familiar ... I remembered they are making the petrol engine for the new CLA being launched next year:

Developed by Mercedes-Benz, the new four-cylinder petrol engine will be produced in China by Horse Powertrain – a company jointly operated by Chinese car maker Geely and France’s Renault.


Of course MB have already have significant links with Renault, using their engines in a whole bunch of FWD models including the A/GLA/CLA, B/GLB, C Class, Vito, and Citan/T Class (the latter being re-badged Kangoos).
 

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