Howard
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Cheers mate , not often we agree
But it's not just a W124 , it's a very special , very rare , super sleeper , classic design , early AMG car of which there were only 29 made and only two in RHD , of which this is one ....
I freely admit i am a W124 enthusiast , and £35k to restore it , if you have won a million , is nothing .... I could spend that on a watch ...
But that's all part of it isn't it ?
Even if you just chucked your mill in the bank , it would still earn you a fair bit each year , so just look at it as 4 months interest ....
I suppose you could view it as a little piece of history , before AMG was owned by MB and they were truly special cars , the first super saloon ....
The Brabus cars were also nice , dad once looked at a w124 Brabus estate ( 3.6 ) .... but none of them had the kudos and mystique that the Hammer aquired ....
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KLP 92
MB Enthusiast
My good friend Mr Talbir Bains bought the car. Collected the car and drove it back this afternoon. He's overly happy with the car, the engine is spot on, oil pressure is very good and the gearbox/diff are as they should be. Oil pressure is 2 bar when hot and in gear, 3 on the lightest blip of the throttle. Suspension is firm, not sagging at all.
The car is 1 of 2 RHD original Hammers. The car has been on a ramp and been checked, nothing needs doing, definately no evidence of any sort of accident damage. All suspension components have been checked, has a fresh MOT and will sail through another.
He reckons there is no engine work required at all and if there was it wouldn't be any probs for him. He's timed the 0-60mph runs in 5s flat. He reckons it would demolish his 500e in terms of performance.
The seats are genuine AMGs as are the door inserts. Interior he reckons will clean up after the seats are connolised
I'll post some pics when i pop round over the weekend to take it for a blast
The car cost £11200 in total, the commission was just over 1%.
The funniest thing was the fact the car had no number plates, so Coy's very kindly offered to make up new plates. 2 minutes later the chap with A4 paper with the reg no grafittied on
and the cheek to say "hope it doesn't rain!"
The car is 1 of 2 RHD original Hammers. The car has been on a ramp and been checked, nothing needs doing, definately no evidence of any sort of accident damage. All suspension components have been checked, has a fresh MOT and will sail through another.
He reckons there is no engine work required at all and if there was it wouldn't be any probs for him. He's timed the 0-60mph runs in 5s flat. He reckons it would demolish his 500e in terms of performance.
The seats are genuine AMGs as are the door inserts. Interior he reckons will clean up after the seats are connolised
I'll post some pics when i pop round over the weekend to take it for a blast
The car cost £11200 in total, the commission was just over 1%.
The funniest thing was the fact the car had no number plates, so Coy's very kindly offered to make up new plates. 2 minutes later the chap with A4 paper with the reg no grafittied on
and the cheek to say "hope it doesn't rain!"
KLP 92
MB Enthusiast
No major rust so bodywork will cost £1-2k max. My uncle owns a bodyshop in Staples corner so paintwork isn't an issue.
Interior will get away with a connolise job, if not retrim will be £1k, the wood isn't that bad, a few cracks which i'll get repaired for him so won't cost more than £250-300.
Gearbox/Engine aren't problematic and the diff is quiet. No expense here at the moment. Never paid more than £1k for a rebuild on a box.
Alloy wheels, well thats my speciality so wil be cheap.
All in all i reckon £3-4k will be the max spent on the car, basically keeping everything under £15k. Considering you sold yours for £30k+, this one seems like a bargain.
The car's in good hands and it wil be restored to its former glory shortly.
KLP 92
MB Enthusiast
He's got 4 SELs, 2 SECs, 2 500e, 190e 2.6, Carlsson 300TE. And nearly forgot about the Porsche 911 930 flat nose turbo.
And he's currently building a 6.2 V8 Renntech 500E mated to a 6 spd manual
What about the horrid after market sun roof issue?
Sounds like your friend did well.
Pistonheads have a different take on the car:
I know SL73s that weren't factory supplied but later converted are worth a lot less - what's the deal here - does the engine maketh the car?
Pistonheads have a different take on the car:
I know SL73s that weren't factory supplied but later converted are worth a lot less - what's the deal here - does the engine maketh the car?
KLP 92
MB Enthusiast
He reckons its a genuine Mb glass roof, a very very rare option on the W126/W124s, but he's not sure as he didn't pay too much atention. He's not concerned as if its not when it goes in for paintwork he's rip it out and retrofit an original one
He's done one before so its not a prob.I know, Howard - just trying to confirm whether there is any automotive history. If it's an original car with a factory engine I'm with you. If it's a standard car he 'upgraded' or took the elusive Hammer engine from a donor car then not so much.
KLP 92
MB Enthusiast
Not sure to be honest, but he does know his stuff. Its the same car that was officially tested at Millbrooks, with the period AMG something plate on it. It is the 2 of 2 UK Hammers made, not sure if it was factory done or done afterwards.
Buying a DOHC AMG engine is effectively buying a headache, it will go wrong at some point and is a pig to fix.
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he must have a bloody big house ..
He's got 4 SELs, 2 SECs, 2 500e, 190e 2.6, Carlsson 300TE. And nearly forgot about the Porsche 911 930 flat nose turbo.
And he's currently building a 6.2 V8 Renntech 500E mated to a 6 spd manual
to be honest i thought it would go for silly money due to its history, had i have thought it would only have been 10K, i would have been at coys.... that car is a piece of history...
talbir
MB Enthusiast
Why the assumptions ?
I didn't see the Coys brochure and have never been seduced by glossy pics or even matt pics - i have been restoring and modifying MBs since i was 17. I knew all about this car well before the auction. Please see my car list in my signature below and you will see i own a variety of AMG/Brabus cars from this era. Point being i know a bit about them.
Correction - auction sale was 10k not 10.5k.
Correction - commission was 12% not 15%.
Incorrect - i was not shocked at all on my inspection of the car...it is a typical ex-Beatles daily runner...all it's issues are cosmetic. There are no structural issues, no subframe or chassis rot. Purely superficial issues.
The shocking thing was the speed and tightness of the car - faster than my w124 500Es by some margin and tighter as well...in my drive home from St Johns Wood to Heathrow, I was SUPER impressed.
And no, not going up for sale. I have already added it to my Will to be passed to my wife/kids upon my death. I don't buy cars to restore and sell - this is my hobby and passion. I will do the cosmetic refurb that it needs and trust me, once my cars are done they are truly mint, not dressed up pigs. I do all engine/chassis/interior/suspension work myself, save the bodywork which i entrust to my family friend who runs an insurance approved bodyshop and has done several of my cars.
Incorrect - car has 108k miles on the clock.
Further correction - the engine barely seems run in...account for the fact that the engine has NO done 108k miles....it was fitted later on in it's life....and trust me i know a good AMG DOHC when i feel one ! The pressure gauge needle looked like it was going to bust through the upper limit and never dropped below 2 even when hot.
And better still, the vacuum is immense - most MBs, vacuum needle is pegged to the left when in neutral or Park. Which it is with this car...but when you select gear on a standing start, the needle stays pegged indicating a very strong engine condition....most MBs the vacuum / economy needle moves a few millimetres to the right when gear is selected on standing.
Only 2 out of the 11 black wood pieces are in need of renovation -the left side dash vent and the gear lever. All other wood peices are very good.
No recaros in this car, but drivers seat is electric. The leather on the front seats is NOT stock MB and neither is it MB tex. I can acquire Recaro Classic Cs and Ideal Cs (which were both the right type on AMG cars)shipped to my front door in two days. Easy items to acquire and costing less than £1k (both seats including Recaro adapters).
Only one of the alloys is the later Aero I which has the later badging and centre cap fitment. I already have a spare early correct AMG Aero I et28 sitting in the garage. Spit and Polish will refurb all 4 wheels for far less than the price you have quoted and their work in my experience has been of the highest order.
So you are making comments on the car without having investigated ?
Let me save you the trouble. It is the 2nd of the Hammers, it is the one tested at Milbrook, timed at 5.0 seconds from 0-60mph. Read 'Motor' magazine, Jan 1987. I is the ONLY 560E in the world based on latest info.
A few more facts on the car :
AMG DOHC 5.6 M117 32V, 360 bhp, 358 lb ft torque
AMG Gleason - Torsen 2.24 differential
AMG exhaust system (although rear box has gone astray at some point - the Sebring boxes were not the most robust)
AMG suspension : struts and springs
AMG wood and door inserts
AMG steering wheel
AMG Aero Is
AMG 5 piece bodykit
also note - i have had an insurance report run and there has never been an insurance payout on the vehicle. I see no signs of any serious collision or even minor !
I am delighted to have acquired this - and i have been after a Hammer for some time....but i wanted one with the Series 2 DOHC and here it arrived ! The series 1 5.0 DOHC in the other Hammer was rated at 340bhp according to AMG and Stratton literature (not 360bhp a some falsely claim). This 5.6 was the ONLY AMG DOHC rated at 360bhp.
Watch this space for the refurb pics in due course ! I have my hands full with a Renntech M119 6.2 construction with 6 spd manual gearbox, and a Brabus w126 V12...so these little distractions like the cosmetic attentions required on the 560E will have to get tucked in on evenings and some weekends.
In the meantime, you can see some of my cars at :
http://www.printroom.com/pictureSearch.asp?userid=hakkinen
cheers
talbir
Actually, it's a couple of big garages.
talbir
MB Enthusiast
link to pics of the 560e :
http://www.printroom.com/ViewAlbum.a...lbum_id=225479http://www.printroom.com/EditAlbum.asp?album_id=225479
http://www.printroom.com/ViewAlbum.a...lbum_id=225479http://www.printroom.com/EditAlbum.asp?album_id=225479
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