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Thinking to buy an old merc

thats the thing, i want it to be a shed. i want to park it and not care whats going to happen to it, i want to be able to drive it and not care about other people's mistakes, i wont have to worry about vandals, nothing!

i bet i can find a shed without major issues and source all the stuff it will need slowly and cheaply though

I bet you will need it to pass an MOT though!

seriously buying an old W123 or W124 for less than £1000 will definately cause you issues at every MOT and probably in between.

Nothing as expensive as a cheap merc.
 
I bet you will need it to pass an MOT though!

seriously buying an old W123 or W124 for less than £1000 will definately cause you issues at every MOT and probably in between.

Nothing as expensive as a cheap merc.

As I have recently found out on a 190e

£395 to buy
£385 to pass new mot
£100 on new relays!
 
I bet you will need it to pass an MOT though!

seriously buying an old W123 or W124 for less than £1000 will definately cause you issues at every MOT and probably in between.

Nothing as expensive as a cheap merc.


Not necessarily.
I bought a 1983 380SE (Type 126) for £1700 in 2003.
Mrs. J and I ran it every day for 8 years until the rust finally finished it.
During this time it needed one serious repair (Camshafts and lifters).
Other than that it cost next to nothing and was a joy to run.
Finally flogged it last year to a specialist breaker, who immediately shipped the engine off to some African customer to begin a new life.

Cheap motoring !!
(But I do my own service work)

Cheers
Johnsco
 
Indeed !

The most expensive car I have bought in recent years was my 500SEL for which I paid the princely sum of £1300 - so far I have fitted two new tyres ( £150 ) , had an ABS repair carried out for the MOT ( two front wheel sensors fitted £350 at a local indy ) and a ball joint fitted at the MOT garage (£50) - beyond that has been routine servicing ( I renewed all the discs/pads/shoes at a cost of approx £200 , oils , filters as required a couple of times ( less than £100 ) . I have fitted a towbar along with my audio system and probably a few other 'enhancements' but the basic running of the car has not ibvolved a lot of expense .

My other cars have , in recent years , been 190E 2.6 ( bought for £500 + a few hundred spent on brake overhaul - something I pretty much always do with any car I buy - and routine servicing ) ; 300TE-24 ( bought for £750 and much the same expenses as the 190 ) ; Fintail ( bought for £700 and a shed which turned out to be a waste of money - my one bad investment in recent years ) ; 190E ( bought for £300 + brakes ( £200 ish ) , rear box ( genuine MB £75 ish ) , water pump ( genuine MB £80 ish ) and routine servicing ) .

I have just taken delivery of the W126 280SE and have so far spent £20 on a pair of Bosch windscreen wipers - the car seems to be in excellent condition : no apparent faults other than dashboard lights ( replaced rheostat with one I had - problem solved ) , broken n/s mirror , again I had one in my shed . I can hardly believe that the air-con actually works !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It must be so unusual for an entry-level model like this to have a/c and cruise ( both of which work ) as well as illuminated visors , but it does . Petrol Blue has always been one of my favourite colours too . The biscuit coloured cloth seats are stained and worn but the plan is to find a facelift style mushroom leather interior for my 500 ( correct for the car ) and fit the pre-facelift leather seats from that car into the 280 as they will be correct for this car . The 280 starts 'on the button' every time and this must be the smoothest M110 I have ever heard since the days when I used to run new ones ! Oil pressure is at max all the time hot or cold - even in drive at 600 rpm ! What a stroke of luck last night when I looked into a local scrappy who seems to always have 126's : they had another 'B' reg 280SE and I got the gloveox pack with the owners' manual etc - how jammy is that ??

None of my cars has cost me an absolute fortune
 
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And talking of really old, my 45 yr old 230s just had a full going over for work needed for it's MOT. Given it's stood still for three years and is uber geriatric in the first place, I thought it was almost in the "shed" category for MOT costs. What did it need? Discs n pads at the front. That's it. Pontoneer has cars much older and better than mine I think and he knows how to find the good ones from the bad - I was lucky but even so....amazing.

I'm doing rear brakes and the compensator spring as an option anyway but the car has just turned out to be super cheap to get back on the road.

I've two other classics and neither is anywhere near as sturdy, well engineered and just plain outstanding as the Mercedes. I am looking forward to this old girl being a daily driver in the summer and still being so when she's 50 :)
 
I have a tool for this job. I do lend them out with a deposit.

Thanks, but did it the old fashoned way!! Got them out today,after leaving them soaking overnight in Coca-Cola (othe soft drinks are avaliable) it really works you know!!

Anyway, 2 injectors and all the associated work will be well over £500. Upon checking Autodata,the book time (over 10 hours!!!!) for changing a rocker cover gasket on an A-Class diesel would cost more than my 190.

I HATE POST 1998ish CARS!!

I'm gonna keep my old 190 on the road for as long as possible,same with my wife's £120 Volvo 850. These really are the last of the properly built,well engineered cars that have the extras that you really need,but none of the nonsense that you think you do. In 6 months the Merc has cost me £ £71-brake pads,an aux belt tensioner and a diesel cut off solenoid. It was purchased with a dodgy solenoid and a noisy tensioner..., and in a year the Volvo' outstanding costs,excluding fuel,insurance etc has been £22 for a genune oil filter and the correct oil.

My old 230E W124 cost me £450, and never ever cost me a penny,and my C200 was the same,until the head gasket went. Fair enough I'm a mechanic so labour is free though!! :rolleyes:
 
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I dont know what old mercs were about in the tax exempt era pre 1973 but got to be worth a look theres nothing as satisfying as free road tax:D

Ive just bought an old series 2 landrover 50 years old starts and runs a treat basic spannering and it will keep doing the same, plus it will never be worth less than i paid for it which will be a first ever:).

Hacksawing a battery cable and the hacksaw slipped and cut into the wing no worries!



Lynall
 
Have a look on autotrader - you'll find a choice of Merc's for around £500.
Whatever model you look for just do a bit of research on this forum for their weak spots & look for them when you go to view! - the trick is finding a genuine car that hasn't been bodged to sell.
If you only spend £500 on a car & it lasts a year & you throw it away it's only the same as the depreciation on a newer car - or even less!!

cheers
Chris
 
I'm finding it hard to find old merc diesels. theres 2 on auto trader, 1 has no picture and the other is 350-odd miles away. Am i looking in the wrong places? can anyone suggest where i start looking?

I know i originally said a 6cyl would do, but come to think of it i've never owned a diesel and i think an old merc diesel wouldn't be a bad way to start my diesel ownership!
 
Old and diesel probably not a good combo mega miles even if low miles on speedo:D
Will be very low powered compared to almost any car you care to name.



Lynall
 
A 190E 2.5 Diesel would be ideal. Good luck finding one at £500, but it has the 5-cylinder non-turbo diesel engine from a W124 250TD in the smaller, lighter 190E body and should be quite nippy

I have been really impressed with the 190Es I've bought. The build quality is superb and a good one is at least as good as a good W124 and better in a few areas

Limiting yourself to £500, though, will sentence you viewing an unending stream of old bangers unless you get incredibly lucky. Buy something a bit more expensive up front - it'll be cheaper overall

Nick Froome
 
A 190E 2.5 Diesel would be ideal. Good luck finding one at £500, but it has the 5-cylinder non-turbo diesel engine from a W124 250TD in the smaller, lighter 190E body and should be quite nippy


Nick Froome

Also,if you catch them just right,at the right revs, you can pretend you are driving a Big Rig. They sound lovley!
I certainly wouldn't call them nippy though!!

My first 190D, a 2.5 was an ex taxi,and everything was broken.I bought it late at night,and in the dark,but a few hours in the scrappies for some trim and stuff and a good polish it turned out to be a good 'un. Even though it had been battered into submission,its character shone through, like a boxer making a comeback after 6 rounds on the ropes... The person I sold it to ran it for 30,000 miles without even an oil change :mad::wallbash:
 
Ok just for my knowledge then... when going to view say a 300D or a 190D, what are the tell tale signs of a bad engine/gearbox?

I've never owned a diesel before so i would appreciate some input as to what i should be trying to avoid!
 
Usual car buying rules apply, which you can find in many places on here,and on the 'net.

My own personal car buying rules....

Mercedes built all their cars on the same line,in the same factory,with the same components. The main differences between cars you are looking at now are the places they have been driven,and by whom.

GOOD CARS AND GOOD PEOPLE GO TOGETHER.

Start with the advert. is the spelling correct? Are the pictures good? You gotta be pretty thick to cut a car in half when taking a photo,and even thicker if you then use it.. If you can spell,use technology and a PC you are half way to being a suitable MB pilot...:rolleyes:

What's in the background in the picture? A nice suburban semi with a gravel driveway and a mint E-Class in the background? Or an Avenger up on bricks. Tells far more than the waffle thats been printed. Do they mention veg oil? Run a mile if they do. Not a thing you do unless you've done a lot of research and reading most old Merc diesels now are like gold to Pikeys who think you can pull a burger van with your free fuel.. Run,Run like the wind!!

Old Merc diesels sound like they are broken. A distinct noise of a small lorry engine and very different to a modern HDi or Common rail. listen to a few to learn the sound and watch carefully...even though they are clattering away,they should be smooth and even,put your hand on the rocker cover and shut your eyes...you are feeling for a "miss", "stumble" or a rocking from side to side...infact a slight side to side movement is good as it tells you the hydraulic mounts are still functioning... Usual visual check for oil leaks,coolant stains,check the oil pressure gauge is at 3 when at 1500+ RPM, and above 1 at a hot idle at least. Check the heater is hot,and goes cold when the temp adjuster is turned,check it switches off with the key-these are all vaccum controlled. Leaks can be a pain...

Dip the oil, which will be black. It should be runny and wipe off easily though. if its thick and the stick is covered in carbon its been neglected. Coolant should be clear with no sludge and be a nice dark blue,green or even pink colour. Fuel filter should be clean and fairly shiny,a sign of recent servicing,and have a look down behind the inlet manifold,hopefully the glow plugs should be fairly shiny too,a nasty job to change if they've been in there a while...

Now's the time to look at any paperwork,reciepts etc and see if they back up what you've seen and heard. I generally disregard this as its so easy to forge or even buy off Ebay. I have a FMBSH for a W124 300E sportline in front of me at the moment,along with handbooks etc....I found it... I've never owned a 300e!! If I ever find a Beryl blue 1988 Sportline it can then be a 45,000 minter with a few hours work...;)

Paperwork backs up what you see, don't get fooled into seeing what the paperwork says.



P.S.
Another tip for an older Merc Diesel. The engines were fully encapsulated. The 190D was advertised in its early years as "The whispering Diesel!!" The under tray should go all the way back to the rear of the gearbox,and completely hide the underside of the fron of the car. the bonnet should have a thick covering on the underside too. If these are still here and in good condition this can only be a good sign.

I lost my undertray a few weeks ago to a stray log under the snow. I'm still upset about it.. Grrr.
 
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Excellent write up Tiff.

Don't forget to dip the autotrans oil and check its not cloudy or burnt smelling
 

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