UMI update - Navigation 20

[e class coupe]

Richard/Alfie I would like to clear up a few things.
I have specced audio 20 with dab radio, and cd changer with media interface on my e class coupe.
This is not the same as audio 50 navigation correct?

I need to pay £799 for the umi kit to enable sat nav correct?

I am assuming the above are correct.
How difficult is it to fit? Where does the navigation antenna sit?

 

[Alfie]

Richard/Alfie I would like to clear up a few things.
I have specced audio 20 with dab radio, and cd changer with media interface on my e class coupe.
This is not the same as audio 50 navigation correct?

I need to pay £799 for the umi kit to enable sat nav correct?

I am assuming the above are correct.
How difficult is it to fit? Where does the navigation antenna sit?

Correct. With audio20 there is no navigation unless you have Navigation 20 retrofitted which for your car is due out in about 2 months. DAB radio is good to spec from new as its an arm and a leg to retrofit.

 

[richard]

Hi
Audio-20 is not same as Audio-50.

However, you have a small potential issue :-( The media interface is "officially" not compatible with the UMI because of overlapping functionality (the duplication of the iPod features). Although, my suspicion is that they will work together because the are controlled differently. (UMI "wakes up" when you select iPod, but MI is accessed completely differently)
The UMI has a nice 'bluetooth audio streaming' function that MI does not have.

Navigation antenna ends up above the instrument cluster. Bluetooth antenna and iPod connection is in glovebox (where the light is, it clips in and original light clips into it)

Its harder to fit than an iPod kit because (a) you have to connect between the display and the Audio-20 and (b) the control unit is big so you have to cut some insulation away to install it. The cluster needs coding to enable the direction display, but the system itself works straight away.

Cheers

Richard

Richard/Alfie I would like to clear up a few things.
I have specced audio 20 with dab radio, and cd changer with media interface on my e class coupe.
This is not the same as audio 50 navigation correct?

I need to pay £799 for the umi kit to enable sat nav correct?

I am assuming the above are correct.
How difficult is it to fit? Where does the navigation antenna sit?

 

[bugsrunner]

My C220 has the Navigation 20 installed. How do I see which firmware version is?

Tks for replying

 

[Pappilo]

Hello Alfie

Any news about when Navigation 20 will be released for the W212?

Thanks

 

[tchracing]

Hello Alfie

Any news about when Navigation 20 will be released for the W212?

Thanks

Latest info i got, was that the Navigation 20 (UMI) for W212, will not be released until november or desember.
This is for Norway, but i guess it is the same for you guys.

Tom

 

[NISFAN]

I wouldn't bother unless it is better than the C class UMI, I am having mine removed by my dealer tomorrow.

 

[Diesel Benz]

I wouldn't bother unless it is better than the C class UMI, I am having mine removed by my dealer tomorrow.

What sort of issues have you had if you want to get rid of it? Have you had it updated to Navigation 20?

 

[NISFAN]

Yes it is Navigation 20, I have had it installed for about 4 weeks. I have been assured it is the latest software, and it is a brand new unit.

Having it taken out as I don't think it is worth the £750 I paid for it.

It has features like TMC that don't work despite MB claiming it is working as it should. The nav part is extremely basic, and its display is poor, making it really easy to take the wrong turn. Strangely, if you don't have a route set, the map is more clearly read, as it doesn't have a wide blue line blocking the view of the roads.
It is also full of software glitches, POI's are hit and miss (for example it doesn't show every fuel station, and will navigate you right past ones it doesn't list).

All in all it is just a very basic nav system, and TMC does not function, which is important to me. This is all fine, but not for the money. I do like the USB and ipod control.

Back to TomTom for me, but am intending to fit a COMAND as soon as one is in stock.

 

[NISFAN]

Had a complete nightmare today, MB took out my UMI, but then informed me that my radio control panel was not operational. Apparently they could not uninstall the UMI features, and will have to replace the whole unit under warranty.

They said it often happens, so I said 'Oh, so other people have un-installed the Nav 20 UMI then?' silence......

To top it off, I get the car back with big gouges on the gearshift surround, and the central console. All this is now being replaced on Wednesday. Expensive day for MB.

 

[richard]

Had a complete nightmare today, MB took out my UMI, but then informed me that my radio control panel was not operational. Apparently they could not uninstall the UMI features, and will have to replace the whole unit under warranty.

They said it often happens, so I said 'Oh, so other people have un-installed the Nav 20 UMI then?' silence......

To top it off, I get the car back with big gouges on the gearshift surround, and the central console. All this is now being replaced on Wednesday. Expensive day for MB.

The trouble here is the dealers charge fixed rates for jobs (from the ASRA system) but the staff are financially incentivised to do them quicker ... so instead of taking the necessary time the staff hurry.

I presume they broke something whilst disassembling the radio to take out the UMI - it sits between the car's wiring loom and the Audio-20 and between the Audio-20 and the display and you have to be careful undoing the catches .....

The only thing that is coded for UMI is the instrument cluster. Ensure they turned off the NAV display in the cluster (if they turned it on in the first place, many dealers don't realise they can) (unless you intend to fit COMAND, then leave it on!!)

Richard

 

[Diesel Benz]

Had a complete nightmare today, MB took out my UMI, but then informed me that my radio control panel was not operational. Apparently they could not uninstall the UMI features, and will have to replace the whole unit under warranty.

They said it often happens, so I said 'Oh, so other people have un-installed the Nav 20 UMI then?' silence......

To top it off, I get the car back with big gouges on the gearshift surround, and the central console. All this is now being replaced on Wednesday. Expensive day for MB.

The radio control panel is not aware of the UMI being installed to the car. The only coding you need when UMI is removed is the cluster navigation menu.

Have you considered another workshop?

 

[NISFAN]

Ah, ok. So they probably broke something, and blamed software install? As for the scratched trim, that is just an amateur mistake as far as I am concerned.

I don't think my car will be returning to this dealership again for servicing. Not so much because of this mishap, as most main dealers use spotty teenagers to do the work these days, but more because the service manager implied I was a fussy customer expecting TMC to actually work, as I expected it to, and not MB version of 'working'.

 

[NISFAN]

Can anyone recommend which COMAND system to go for? The options are a previously installed, but not used Euro single disc unit. Apparently removed from a brand new car going to the far east, that has had a Japanese/Chinese spec unit fitted in it's place. Currently my preferred option, although they don't have one in my colour in stock at the moment, and won't know when they will.
A US spec 6 disc unit, loaded with Euro firmware and maps. US version only has one tuner inside it, and because of this, doesn't display alternative station lists like the euro version. The US one is nearly half the price of a Euro 6 disc, which is the final option.

Any thoughts?

 

[npuk]

I would check you will still get TMC with the single tuner. When I had NTG2.5 retrofitted with just a single antenna input connected I got no TMC but it worked once both were connected which may mean TMC uses the second tuner.

 

[NISFAN]

That is the question I asked the supplier. He assured me that TMC functions as normal on the US spec unit, but I have a sneaky feeling that the second tuners function is to seek out TMC as you suggest.

Thanks for the reminder, I will push get this clarified again.

 

[richard]

Can anyone recommend which COMAND system to go for? The options are a previously installed, but not used Euro single disc unit. Apparently removed from a brand new car going to the far east, that has had a Japanese/Chinese spec unit fitted in it's place. Currently my preferred option, although they don't have one in my colour in stock at the moment, and won't know when they will.
A US spec 6 disc unit, loaded with Euro firmware and maps. US version only has one tuner inside it, and because of this, doesn't display alternative station lists like the euro version. The US one is nearly half the price of a Euro 6 disc, which is the final option.

Any thoughts?

Id stick with a Euro unit myself. Id go with the single disk unit and install the Media Interface and put a USB stick or iPod with all your music on it. The top coloured cover on the screen is changeable I think (I don't have access to EPC to be really sure from where I am). If you retrofit, please please install the fans or it will cook.

Richard

 

[richard]

Just checked EPC. The cover is available - there is a standard version, a AMG version and a special leather version all in beige, grey or black. Standard version around £35.

I can't work out if the monitor part itself comes as different colours or whether its just that top cover.

R

 

[NISFAN]

Richard, thank you for your input. Do you know whether the front radio cover is available separately? My trim is apparently a dark grey, rather than almost black.

Regarding the fans you speak about, does the unit not have an internal fan? I take it the vents need changing too for the push button version? Is that part of the cooling upgrade?

 

[NISFAN]

Having just checked your site, I can't find a listing for a W204 COMAND unit.

Would you be kind enough to pm me some price options on a COMAND fit. Thanks.