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W212 6.2l e63 - options + mileage game

The 4Matic makes a huge difference in the 213, but it’s still entirely possible to get out of shape if you’re not paying attention. But it gathers pace at such an alarming rate it’s quite shocking (to me at least!).

Cards on the table, I’ve never had the pleasure of driving 212 so I don’t have a frame of reference to compare. Having come from the C63S and before that the only car I’ve ever driven with comparable performance to the 213 is a Murcielago LP640 - which is obviously quite a different experience 😁
Yeah I've seen loads of folks sliding the 213 backs out regularly on youtube. I came from a c63s estate myself and that car was not the fastest at all but boy was it a crazy wild thing and always out of shape 😜, I used to run a w211 as a commuter and the c63s as my slippery slidey toy. The 211 could put down power perfectly as all the mums found out at traffic lights where they'd see an ancient car and think , that old b@stard is going to delay me so i better go past him (🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭)

Side by side the sound of the 6.2 was better quality but too muted in the cabin. The 205 had the crazy added pops bangs and more juvenile and i drove it only in sport plus haha etc

Comparing 212 wirh the 205, I think the chassis of the w212 is a lot more stable than the s205, and it doesn't like to go sideways as easily even in sport handling mode , but the 205 was made for going sideways and felt much less scary to control when it did go sideways which was everywhere and all the time. So personally if I were to buy one today, I'd buy another s205 just for the thrills (though I'd first want to try a 213 at mb brooklands on their driving experience)
 
Probably in drift mode....which is 100% rear wheel drive.
No need for drift mode, in sport plus should be sufficient to get a nice power slide. I remember the brooklands instructors telling me that when I shared my dismay at the 213s being AWD. They're very rear biased, power is delivered to the rear and then moves to the front when needed apparently Ofcourse I haven't actually experienced it myself but SGregory I'm sure can chip in
 
And there lies the problem.....as the drift starts the car detects the slip and difference in wheel speed and sends more power to the front....stopping the drift pretty quickly. Four wheel drifting requires a lot more power, more space and in my limited experience, rather more skill!
 
And there lies the problem.....as the drift starts the car detects the slip and difference in wheel speed and sends more power to the front....stopping the drift pretty quickly. Four wheel drifting requires a lot more power, more space and in my limited experience, rather more skills
Modern AMGs (2015+) are specifically designed to play around in their extreme modes. Even the 2017 GLA 45 i had for a year and a half would slide in sport+ and sport handling mode when pushed before the ESP brings it in. They're made to be fun. Yes they'll be more capable, so harder to slide but I very much doubt drift mode is needed to make them play, you just put your foot down harder and they break traction very fast especially in cold and damp. Our man SGregory will have real world intel
 
No need for drift mode, in sport plus should be sufficient to get a nice power slide. I remember the brooklands instructors telling me that when I shared my dismay at the 213s being AWD. They're very rear biased, power is delivered to the rear and then moves to the front when needed apparently Ofcourse I haven't actually experienced it myself but SGregory I'm sure can chip in
I can definitely confirm rear slides are possible and easy to induce, even in plain old Sport+ with everything else turned ‘On’.

Its great fun but you need to be expecting it, as I was blissfully unaware the first couple of times it happened - mainly because I was fully expecting the car to behave like my old C7 Audi A6 BiTDi - ie being able to stamp on the throttle mid corner and let the torque vectoring handle the ensuing chaos….unsurprisingly this does not happen in the E63 😂

I’m used to the mass of the car now though and slowly exploring what’s possible (on private roads obviously officer).
 
So coming up to 2 months with the 6.2. Apart from the early gremlins , the subframe and brake lines are done, dealer covered 1k of repairs. I got a transmission oil change for gbp300 at a merc dealership, who knew... they initially quoted 380 then made some sort of mistake and charged less .
In terms of thoughts so far compared to my previous facelift S, the S being a superior daily in every regard if you want refinement. The light steering allows much easier driving than the pre and is more accurate and easier to steer at low speeds. When you put the s in gear, it doesn't charge off like the pre, it gradually gives you throttle unless you put your foot down. Oddly I had a A200 saloon or some other brand new courtesy car last year and that car was too sensitive at low speeds to little throttle inputs so I can't say all newer mercs don't like launching off too quickly from a stop because some do. Anyhow the upside of the prefacelift is the hydraulic steering , while no match for the electric rack for ease of driving, there's certainly more feel and connection. It does give a more sporty feel by default just because the steering is heavy . Also the NA engine certainly after the initial gallop upon releasing the brake is then more alert to throttle inputs.
One of the failures of my specific facelift was the lack of options I wanted such as distronic and massaging seats and folding rear seats etc. The nappa leather seats on the S and cabin are quite a step up vs the pre and the ICW clock is the icing on the cake. I think also the lack of a giant clock in the instrument cluster is an improvement as you get a larger rev counter and the centre digital screen is colour.

In terms of throttle response, it is a combination of what gear the car will utilise when you put your foot down on the throttle paddle. The facelift engine has more breath of power through the rev range albeit is a tiny bit less response to small inputs, but doesn't need to downshift and it hits you with a wall of power. If it does downshift, you've got a mountain of torque and you take off like you're daffy duck and your rear end is on fire. The 6.2 seems to have the opposite issue of it always trying to downshift first when in comfort and sport mode before you start to go, it doesn't have this issue in sport plus but it tends to rest at around 2k revs, it's always ready and very responsive. But the effect of the downshift is delay for putting down power so you lose the benefit of the NA response. You can easily downshift manually in any mode and you'll be in the right gear. The w211 e63 was identical, push the pedal and it downshifts first. It's useful to save petrol so I understand why but the 5.5 can pick up nicely without needing to do this as often.

Handling wise, the AMG dynamics seem somewhat improved in the facelift with increased resistance to going sideways under straightline acceleration but the preFL is very close behind and still excellent. Supposedly the pfl comes in with a kerb weight of around 80kg less than the FL S version? Or is it how they're calculating this?

I'm especially chuffed to have distronic in the PFL which I use all the time on the motorway when there is traffic. It's not quite as advanced as it was in the 2018 c63s but it's more than good enough. My c63s would handle cars moving into my lane suddenly with more confidence. The lane keep assist is fine too, the steering wheel vibrates to warn you you're leaving your lane. The blindspot assist isn't working as a sensor is out.

the dynamic seats are great too especially the massage function. I haven't tried the night vision display yet but hopefully in good time. The reversing camera has no guides which is odd and it doesn't have keyless entry which is a surprise! The gear information is incorrect in the display once the car downshifts from a higher gear when you are manually changing gears and the Bluetooth audio doesn't allow you to change tracks from the car.
Overall this feels a bit more old school but the hydraulic steering makes it feel more sporty overall. The facelift I had is ofcourse a better car but it's far more expensive and so you're paying a premium for it's improvements. The 6.2l does suit the car perfectly, it picks up speed fantastically and never feels short on power. The 5.5 s version tuned car has far more power and torque but if you try to put your foot down , you'll be going past the speed limit very quickly whereas in this car you get the drama up to the speed limit so it's better calibrated to enjoy at sane speed limits while the S 5.5 is unmatched at pulling on the motorway or A roads, the engine pulls like a fighter jet to the redline. They're both great cars in their own way. I just think I can enjoy the higher revving less powerful car more driving within speed limits but outside that the 5.5 is in a different league

Now for some work on this one. Engine + tranny mounts, fuel injectors, wind deflector, dashcam , ghost , blind spot sensor, the pirellis are pants though. Maybe android auto and tinted windows too.
 
So coming up to 2 months with the 6.2. Apart from the early gremlins , the subframe and brake lines are done, dealer covered 1k of repairs. I got a transmission oil change for gbp300 at a merc dealership, who knew... they initially quoted 380 then made some sort of mistake and charged less .
In terms of thoughts so far compared to my previous facelift S, the S being a superior daily in every regard if you want refinement. The light steering allows much easier driving than the pre and is more accurate and easier to steer at low speeds. When you put the s in gear, it doesn't charge off like the pre, it gradually gives you throttle unless you put your foot down. Oddly I had a A200 saloon or some other brand new courtesy car last year and that car was too sensitive at low speeds to little throttle inputs so I can't say all newer mercs don't like launching off too quickly from a stop because some do. Anyhow the upside of the prefacelift is the hydraulic steering , while no match for the electric rack for ease of driving, there's certainly more feel and connection. It does give a more sporty feel by default just because the steering is heavy . Also the NA engine certainly after the initial gallop upon releasing the brake is then more alert to throttle inputs.
One of the failures of my specific facelift was the lack of options I wanted such as distronic and massaging seats and folding rear seats etc. The nappa leather seats on the S and cabin are quite a step up vs the pre and the ICW clock is the icing on the cake. I think also the lack of a giant clock in the instrument cluster is an improvement as you get a larger rev counter and the centre digital screen is colour.

In terms of throttle response, it is a combination of what gear the car will utilise when you put your foot down on the throttle paddle. The facelift engine has more breath of power through the rev range albeit is a tiny bit less response to small inputs, but doesn't need to downshift and it hits you with a wall of power. If it does downshift, you've got a mountain of torque and you take off like you're daffy duck and your rear end is on fire. The 6.2 seems to have the opposite issue of it always trying to downshift first when in comfort and sport mode before you start to go, it doesn't have this issue in sport plus but it tends to rest at around 2k revs, it's always ready and very responsive. But the effect of the downshift is delay for putting down power so you lose the benefit of the NA response. You can easily downshift manually in any mode and you'll be in the right gear. The w211 e63 was identical, push the pedal and it downshifts first. It's useful to save petrol so I understand why but the 5.5 can pick up nicely without needing to do this as often.

Handling wise, the AMG dynamics seem somewhat improved in the facelift with increased resistance to going sideways under straightline acceleration but the preFL is very close behind and still excellent. Supposedly the pfl comes in with a kerb weight of around 80kg less than the FL S version? Or is it how they're calculating this?

I'm especially chuffed to have distronic in the PFL which I use all the time on the motorway when there is traffic. It's not quite as advanced as it was in the 2018 c63s but it's more than good enough. My c63s would handle cars moving into my lane suddenly with more confidence. The lane keep assist is fine too, the steering wheel vibrates to warn you you're leaving your lane. The blindspot assist isn't working as a sensor is out.

the dynamic seats are great too especially the massage function. I haven't tried the night vision display yet but hopefully in good time. The reversing camera has no guides which is odd and it doesn't have keyless entry which is a surprise! The gear information is incorrect in the display once the car downshifts from a higher gear when you are manually changing gears and the Bluetooth audio doesn't allow you to change tracks from the car.
Overall this feels a bit more old school but the hydraulic steering makes it feel more sporty overall. The facelift I had is ofcourse a better car but it's far more expensive and so you're paying a premium for it's improvements. The 6.2l does suit the car perfectly, it picks up speed fantastically and never feels short on power. The 5.5 s version tuned car has far more power and torque but if you try to put your foot down , you'll be going past the speed limit very quickly whereas in this car you get the drama up to the speed limit so it's better calibrated to enjoy at sane speed limits while the S 5.5 is unmatched at pulling on the motorway or A roads, the engine pulls like a fighter jet to the redline. They're both great cars in their own way. I just think I can enjoy the higher revving less powerful car more driving within speed limits but outside that the 5.5 is in a different league

Now for some work on this one. Engine + tranny mounts, fuel injectors, wind deflector, dashcam , ghost , blind spot sensor, the pirellis are pants though. Maybe android auto and tinted windows too.
Personally I'd consider the lack of Keyless Entry a bonus. Makes it harder for the light-fingered fraternity to liberate it from your driveway at 3am.
 
Personally I'd consider the lack of Keyless Entry a bonus. Makes it harder for the light-fingered fraternity to liberate it from your driveway at 3am.
100% agreed except clowns like me do all we can to help them by letting our 3 year olds play with the car keys so they click the door open button regularly...

Car got its very first compliment from member of the public, some guy walking past from one of the kiln Lane epsom car dealerships. Initially I thought he was enquiring why my granddad allowed me to drive his antique car. However he was extremely complimentary and used some very strong verbs to describe how much he liked the car. It's still very stealthy and I'm sure most people just think it's a car operated by epsom radio cars taxi service

Worth adding that the transmission in manual mode will pretty much shift up to very high gears at low speeds vs the facelift where I'd have to rev and speed up a lot more to get an upshift otherwise it would be rejected, and also downshifting more aggressively at lower speeds
 
100% agreed except clowns like me do all we can to help them by letting our 3 year olds play with the car keys so they click the door open button regularly...
Even if the button gets clicked to unlock, if none of the doors are opened then doesn't it lock itself back up after a short period of time?
 
So coming up to 2 months with the 6.2. Apart from the early gremlins , the subframe and brake lines are done, dealer covered 1k of repairs. I got a transmission oil change for gbp300 at a merc dealership, who knew... they initially quoted 380 then made some sort of mistake and charged less .
In terms of thoughts so far compared to my previous facelift S, the S being a superior daily in every regard if you want refinement. The light steering allows much easier driving than the pre and is more accurate and easier to steer at low speeds. When you put the s in gear, it doesn't charge off like the pre, it gradually gives you throttle unless you put your foot down. Oddly I had a A200 saloon or some other brand new courtesy car last year and that car was too sensitive at low speeds to little throttle inputs so I can't say all newer mercs don't like launching off too quickly from a stop because some do. Anyhow the upside of the prefacelift is the hydraulic steering , while no match for the electric rack for ease of driving, there's certainly more feel and connection. It does give a more sporty feel by default just because the steering is heavy . Also the NA engine certainly after the initial gallop upon releasing the brake is then more alert to throttle inputs.
One of the failures of my specific facelift was the lack of options I wanted such as distronic and massaging seats and folding rear seats etc. The nappa leather seats on the S and cabin are quite a step up vs the pre and the ICW clock is the icing on the cake. I think also the lack of a giant clock in the instrument cluster is an improvement as you get a larger rev counter and the centre digital screen is colour.

In terms of throttle response, it is a combination of what gear the car will utilise when you put your foot down on the throttle paddle. The facelift engine has more breath of power through the rev range albeit is a tiny bit less response to small inputs, but doesn't need to downshift and it hits you with a wall of power. If it does downshift, you've got a mountain of torque and you take off like you're daffy duck and your rear end is on fire. The 6.2 seems to have the opposite issue of it always trying to downshift first when in comfort and sport mode before you start to go, it doesn't have this issue in sport plus but it tends to rest at around 2k revs, it's always ready and very responsive. But the effect of the downshift is delay for putting down power so you lose the benefit of the NA response. You can easily downshift manually in any mode and you'll be in the right gear. The w211 e63 was identical, push the pedal and it downshifts first. It's useful to save petrol so I understand why but the 5.5 can pick up nicely without needing to do this as often.

Handling wise, the AMG dynamics seem somewhat improved in the facelift with increased resistance to going sideways under straightline acceleration but the preFL is very close behind and still excellent. Supposedly the pfl comes in with a kerb weight of around 80kg less than the FL S version? Or is it how they're calculating this?

I'm especially chuffed to have distronic in the PFL which I use all the time on the motorway when there is traffic. It's not quite as advanced as it was in the 2018 c63s but it's more than good enough. My c63s would handle cars moving into my lane suddenly with more confidence. The lane keep assist is fine too, the steering wheel vibrates to warn you you're leaving your lane. The blindspot assist isn't working as a sensor is out.

the dynamic seats are great too especially the massage function. I haven't tried the night vision display yet but hopefully in good time. The reversing camera has no guides which is odd and it doesn't have keyless entry which is a surprise! The gear information is incorrect in the display once the car downshifts from a higher gear when you are manually changing gears and the Bluetooth audio doesn't allow you to change tracks from the car.
Overall this feels a bit more old school but the hydraulic steering makes it feel more sporty overall. The facelift I had is ofcourse a better car but it's far more expensive and so you're paying a premium for it's improvements. The 6.2l does suit the car perfectly, it picks up speed fantastically and never feels short on power. The 5.5 s version tuned car has far more power and torque but if you try to put your foot down , you'll be going past the speed limit very quickly whereas in this car you get the drama up to the speed limit so it's better calibrated to enjoy at sane speed limits while the S 5.5 is unmatched at pulling on the motorway or A roads, the engine pulls like a fighter jet to the redline. They're both great cars in their own way. I just think I can enjoy the higher revving less powerful car more driving within speed limits but outside that the 5.5 is in a different league

Now for some work on this one. Engine + tranny mounts, fuel injectors, wind deflector, dashcam , ghost , blind spot sensor, the pirellis are pants though. Maybe android auto and tinted windows too.
A good honest review which I would agree with 100% although I can picture one particular member disagreeing:doh::D
I didn't get to drive the 212n/a for long enough to uncover the points you've noticed. Coming from a supercharged E55, I just didn't enjoy the way the power was put down on the n/a and the Biturbo, in your words, is superior in almost every aspect. Horses for courses and I admire the M156 for the great engine it is. I just prefer another. Also, the looks of a pre facelift and a facelift can be marmite.
But the main thing is, you are in the car that you chose and enjoy, which is what counts. What I, or anyone else thinks doesn't matter.
Health to continue to enjoy it.:thumb:
 
A good honest review which I would agree with 100% although I can picture one particular member disagreeing:doh::D
I didn't get to drive the 212n/a for long enough to uncover the points you've noticed. Coming from a supercharged E55, I just didn't enjoy the way the power was put down on the n/a and the Biturbo, in your words, is superior in almost every aspect. Horses for courses and I admire the M156 for the great engine it is. I just prefer another. Also, the looks of a pre facelift and a facelift can be marmite.
But the main thing is, you are in the car that you chose and enjoy, which is what counts. What I, or anyone else thinks doesn't matter.
Health to continue to enjoy it.:thumb:
Thanks!
Hahaha well im about to give that person a happy ending i think, when I say if you're not looking for the most powerful car you can get , then the 6.2 is magnificent as it has far more ability to utilise its power than the 5.5 S at lower speeds. But if you want to fly on the motorway, not many cars out there can pick up speed like the 5.5.


Yhe kompressor is on my list and if I could have found an e55 when I changed from my original plan which had originally been to get rid of my facelift e63 and m3 for a s213 but in the end I couldn't let go of the m3 🙃 and my wife's disdain at my putting even more money into cars. I think one day I'll try and get into a cls55 or sl55. She expressed an interest in me getting a maserati but oh boy, while I appreciate they're great looking and sounding cars, not sure about how much time it'd be

In terms of the 212 variants, on how many left, theyre around 60 S 5.5 variant cars only MERCEDES AMG E63 S AUTO - How Many Left?
I think the best variant for me personally would be an S212 S 5.5 version. Has everything out of the box with LSDs etc and with almost 700l boot space. I've never driven one but I think the weight balance and practicality would just be a mighty mighty car. Or an s212 6.2l with performance pack I'd be equally enamoured with but ideally both cars having dynamic seats and distronic and leather pack 😍
 
That person is always happy he's got a 6.2 litre under he's foot. Done the inforced route like it but prefer the driving experience of the N/A engine. It's more driver involved and when wants to be driven hard it's very fun doing so, sounding extremely angry also. The shifting in the 6.2 with the MCT transmission is rather tasty. I could well suit the engine of the 156 best all. Especially the rev matching up and down shifts. 500 bhp is great numbers and is more than enough power for my personal preference. The more modern stuff is more powerful which is already known. But is the more modern engine more fun than that of the m156. I doubt it. It's doesn't sound as good for one and it doesn't redline as high.

It's a sweet spot for me. That's all that counts. Happy motoring 😄👍
 
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Could always drop it in a classic benz with Penta wheels, that would be an awesome project 👌

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That person is always happy he's got a 6.2 litre under he's foot. Done the inforced route like it but prefer the driving experience of the N/A engine. It's more driver involved and when wants to be driven hard it's very fun doing so, sounding extremely angry also. The shifting in the 6.2 with the MCT transmission is rather tasty. I could well suit the engine of the 156 best all. Especially the rev matching up and down shifts. 500 bhp is great numbers and is more than enough power for my personal preference. The more modern stuff is more powerful which is already known. But is the more modern engine more fun than that of the m156. I doubt it. It's doesn't sound as good for one and it doesn't redline as high.

It's a sweet spot for me. That's all that counts. Happy motoring 😄👍
It definitely benefits from the MCT and that w212 chassis is incredible. Not had a chance to properly play around with a w204 for any meaningful amount of time but a facelift with the mct and lsd and performance pack probably makes for a special experience. If there's anything muy e93 M3 taught me is that in this day and age, huge horsepower can be quite counterproductive to fun as some of these cars shine at crazy speeds and that's license losing territory , while some of these NA cars do plenty of great work within the speed limits so more often they'll be more fun , and have hydraulic steering. Just don't expect next level performance though vs the TT engines which are on a different level. The shit pirelli rear tyres on my cars make the cars feel far more powerful than they actually are 😅
 
Could always drop it in a classic benz with Penta wheels, that would be an awesome project 👌

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That is perfection to me !
 
It definitely benefits from the MCT and that w212 chassis is incredible. Not had a chance to properly play around with a w204 for any meaningful amount of time but a facelift with the mct and lsd and performance pack probably makes for a special experience. If there's anything muy e93 M3 taught me is that in this day and age, huge horsepower can be quite counterproductive to fun as some of these cars shine at crazy speeds and that's license losing territory , while some of these NA cars do plenty of great work within the speed limits so more often they'll be more fun , and have hydraulic steering. Just don't expect next level performance though vs the TT engines which are on a different level. The shit pirelli rear tyres on my cars make the cars feel far more powerful than they actually are 😅
I don't expect any level of performance of a tt or SC engined car/vehicle over an N/A engined car. All cars with different variants engines have different capabilities. I'm saying the MCT suits the 156 engine extremely well with the 7 speed. Unsure if the 9 speed may complicate things. I've experienced the forced induction route and as much as powerful it was. I found it boring compared to a N/A engine. More driver involved can be more fun whatever the Bhp on offer!
 
I don't expect any level of performance of a tt or SC engined car/vehicle over an N/A engined car. All cars with different variants engines have different capabilities. I'm saying the MCT suits the 156 engine extremely well with the 7 speed. Unsure if the 9 speed may complicate things. I've experienced the forced induction route and as much as powerful it was. I found it boring compared to a N/A engine. More driver involved can be more fun whatever the Bhp on offer!
What is it that you believe involves you as the driver more with a naturally aspirated engine compared to a forced induction engine?
 

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