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W212 E350 CDI engine upgraded (already)

Also pleased to know have met someone with an options list as long as their arm.... ;-)

Thanks :) I did go a bit wild. The things I didn't go for (what few of them there were) I mostly now wish I had. Oh well, next time I will have to go fully loaded.
 
You'll be incandescent when they put in the Bluetec version! The S350 CDI gets it next month. 10% more power (254bhp), 14% more torque (457lb/ft), CO2 down by 22g/km to 177g/km (a similar degree of improvement would see a theoretical E350 Bluetec fall 2 VED bands), combined cycle fuel consumption improved by 3-4 mpg (now 41.5).

Have a look on the official site it is not what you say and what about the price increase!

E Class Blue Efficiency Saloon E350CDi £35,695
Acceleration 0-62 mph: 6.2 s
Top speed: 155 mph
Fuel consumption ***
Urban: 35.8 mpg
Extra-urban: 54.3 mpg
Combined: 45.6 mpg
CO2 emissions *** combined: 162 g/km

E Class BlueTec E350 £37,445
Acceleration 0-62 mph: 7.8 s
Top speed: 149 mph
Fuel consumption ***
Urban: 28.5 mpg
Extra-urban: 52.3 mpg
Combined: 40.4 mpg
CO2 emissions *** combined: 184 g/k
 
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Blimey!

That urban figure has reduced massively! And the 0-62 figure degraded.
 
Spoke to my dealer about this today. He said there is nothing in the pipline that he has heard about for the Coupe (W207) as far as engine upgrades are concerned. He says this is only for the W212 Saloon and Estate. As far as he is aware the coupe remains as is.

I had the Brabus D6-III unit installed in my E350 CDI Coupe about 6 weeks ago. Performance is now 272bhp and 590 Nms of torque and it flys! :) 0-60 should be approx 5.9 secs as it is supposed to take 0.5 secs of the time. I'm not too concerned about economy and in all honesty have not seen any improvement in that dept. In fact I think it is worse on the motorway whereas they say economy should improve with it.
 
Schuey if you have the dynamic sports package (with sport button) did the Brabus unit affect both modes C and S?
Can you still tell the difference between the 2?
I would like one but don't really want it to affect C mode too much although I wonder if it gets rid of the delay when setting off?
Also mpg should be increased if you drive it steady?
 
Johny5_uk, it does affect both modes C and S. However it doesn't get rid of the delay in C mode but does pull harder and drive more responsive even in C mode. I however drive in S mode all the time because I hate the delay.

Yes I agree mpg "should" increase but I haven't really noticed much difference. This is also probably because I keep getting the urge to have a play all the time as it is so responsive!
 
Spoke to my dealer about this today. He said there is nothing in the pipline that he has heard about for the Coupe (W207) as far as engine upgrades are concerned. He says this is only for the W212 Saloon and Estate. As far as he is aware the coupe remains as is.

I would be really surprised if the more powerful 350CDi engine does not make it into the E class coupe sometime soon.
 
I would be really surprised if the more powerful 350CDi engine does not make it into the E class coupe sometime soon.

Absolutely, it completes the high pressure Blue Efficiency range, so makes logical sense to fit this to the Coupe too.

I wouldn't trust a car sales exec divulging what is coming out soon. He needs to sell cars TODAY, so is hardly likely to tell potential customers of a newer improved version on it's way. I doubt they get any release info much before public anouncement anyway, in fact a mate that ordered his new car asked whether his would be the face lift version, and the sales exec knew nothing of a face lift, and had to be shown the public info. :wallbash:
 
Absolutely, it completes the high pressure Blue Efficiency range, so makes logical sense to fit this to the Coupe too.

I wouldn't trust a car sales exec divulging what is coming out soon. He needs to sell cars TODAY, so is hardly likely to tell potential customers of a newer improved version on it's way. I doubt they get any release info much before public anouncement anyway, in fact a mate that ordered his new car asked whether his would be the face lift version, and the sales exec knew nothing of a face lift, and had to be shown the public info. :wallbash:

Totally agree and that's why I rely on these forums for information rather then listen to the sales exec. Mind you, I always find it funny when we end up informing them of their cars!
 
Have a look on the official site it is not what you say and what about the price increase!

E Class Blue Efficiency Saloon E350CDi £35,695
Acceleration 0-62 mph: 6.2 s
Top speed: 155 mph
Fuel consumption ***
Urban: 35.8 mpg
Extra-urban: 54.3 mpg
Combined: 45.6 mpg
CO2 emissions *** combined: 162 g/km

E Class BlueTec E350 £37,445
Acceleration 0-62 mph: 7.8 s
Top speed: 149 mph
Fuel consumption ***
Urban: 28.5 mpg
Extra-urban: 52.3 mpg
Combined: 40.4 mpg
CO2 emissions *** combined: 184 g/k

My information relates to the S350 due out in October and comes from Autocar (8/9/2010) and therefore, presumably, from an official press release. Whilst (according to my dealer only yesterday) nothing has been announced re the E Class, I cannot see why what is presumably the same engine would perform substantially worse in a smaller, lighter car. I'm unable to see where on the official website you got your figures as I'd love to berate my dealership for misinforming me about even the existence of a Bluetec E Class in the UK. I do, however, know that such a car is on sale in the far east and probably by now America where your figures might make sense in view of their need to strangle engines to satisfy all 50 states.

I'm also not sure why MB would consider releasing a replacement (or alternative) car so disadvantaged in terms every statistic that drives sales in the UK. I have to accept your data if you got it from an official source but I am incredulous to say the least.
 
Totally agree and that's why I rely on these forums for information rather then listen to the sales exec. Mind you, I always find it funny when we end up informing them of their cars!

I agree with you all too. Was just mentioning what he had said. He is not your regular sales exec and knows his stuff. He also happens to be a family friend so if he had any info he would tell me. But agree with you that sometimes we on the forums find out before they do.
 
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My information relates to the S350 due out in October and comes from Autocar (8/9/2010) and therefore, presumably, from an official press release. Whilst (according to my dealer only yesterday) nothing has been announced re the E Class, I cannot see why what is presumably the same engine would perform substantially worse in a smaller, lighter car. I'm unable to see where on the official website you got your figures as I'd love to berate my dealership for misinforming me about even the existence of a Bluetec E Class in the UK. I do, however, know that such a car is on sale in the far east and probably by now America where your figures might make sense in view of their need to strangle engines to satisfy all 50 states.

I'm also not sure why MB would consider releasing a replacement (or alternative) car so disadvantaged in terms every statistic that drives sales in the UK. I have to accept your data if you got it from an official source but I am incredulous to say the least.


New engines are also shown on MB Germany's web page http://www.mercedes-benz.de/content/germany/mpc/mpc_germany_website/de/home_mpc/passengercars/home/new_cars/models/e-class/_s212/facts/technical_data.html. It is perplexing that the newer BlueTec engine is more expensive and yet worse off in nearly every specification; but this is all done in the interest of reduced NOx emmisions - see Consumer Reports Cars Blog: How Mercedes.

The bit that I am ****** about is the upgrade to the standard E350 BlueEfficiency engine, which has 15% more torque and 12% more power; with reduced CO2 and improved economy. It grates me that this is within weeks of my taking delivery.

I understand manufacturers improve engines regularly; my 2007 XC90 is trapped in a £400+ VED band - a year later Volvo revised _only_ the CO2 figure for the car (£200;ish VED band). Every other figure stayed the same; except the car's weight, which _increased_!

This VED banding system is IMO driving bad manufacturer behaviour - the figures are so massaged it is ridiculous. The headline CO2 is achieved at unrealistic driving conditions; and the car could pollute like hell when driven normally.

Understanding how and why doesn't stop me feeling :wallbash: :doh::mad: though!
 
NOX isn't an issue (regulatortory anyway) in Euro but NOx emissions are a major issue in the USA - actually why diesel didn't really take off over there. Hence the NOx reduction in the BlueTec engine to meet USA regulations.
 
My information relates to the S350 due out in October and comes from Autocar (8/9/2010) and therefore, presumably, from an official press release. Whilst (according to my dealer only yesterday) nothing has been announced re the E Class, I cannot see why what is presumably the same engine would perform substantially worse in a smaller, lighter car. I'm unable to see where on the official website you got your figures as I'd love to berate my dealership for misinforming me about even the existence of a Bluetec E Class in the UK. I do, however, know that such a car is on sale in the far east and probably by now America where your figures might make sense in view of their need to strangle engines to satisfy all 50 states.

I'm also not sure why MB would consider releasing a replacement (or alternative) car so disadvantaged in terms every statistic that drives sales in the UK. I have to accept your data if you got it from an official source but I am incredulous to say the least.

It's on the E Class saloon configurator, just click on the models to get the specification
Mercedes-Benz UK - E-Class Saloon - Saloon configurator
 
New engines are also shown on MB Germany's web page http://www.mercedes-benz.de/content/germany/mpc/mpc_germany_website/de/home_mpc/passengercars/home/new_cars/models/e-class/_s212/facts/technical_data.html. It is perplexing that the newer BlueTec engine is more expensive and yet worse off in nearly every specification; but this is all done in the interest of reduced NOx emmisions - see Consumer Reports Cars Blog: How Mercedes.

The bit that I am ****** about is the upgrade to the standard E350 BlueEfficiency engine, which has 15% more torque and 12% more power; with reduced CO2 and improved economy. It grates me that this is within weeks of my taking delivery.

I understand manufacturers improve engines regularly; my 2007 XC90 is trapped in a £400+ VED band - a year later Volvo revised _only_ the CO2 figure for the car (£200;ish VED band). Every other figure stayed the same; except the car's weight, which _increased_!

This VED banding system is IMO driving bad manufacturer behaviour - the figures are so massaged it is ridiculous. The headline CO2 is achieved at unrealistic driving conditions; and the car could pollute like hell when driven normally.

Understanding how and why doesn't stop me feeling :wallbash: :doh::mad: though!

I'm with you my friend. And I can never shake the feeling that someone at the dealership must know upgrades and changes are not far off when they pocket your deposit.

This VED thing is all cr*p and I'm willing to bet will change soon. Cars are sneaking into cheaper tax bands by 1g/km by virtue of some special narrow low rolling resistance tyres and special aero but in 4 years when my daughter and her mates are 17 they'll be buying up the used, out of tune Polo Bluemotions and sticking on spoilers and wide alloys. Good on them but they'll be seen as unfairly escaping VED and city congestion charges (which will be rife by then). This thin end of the wedge could lead to severe restrictions on people's freedom to individualise their cars.
 
New engines are also shown on MB Germany's web page http://www.mercedes-benz.de/content/germany/mpc/mpc_germany_website/de/home_mpc/passengercars/home/new_cars/models/e-class/_s212/facts/technical_data.html. It is perplexing that the newer BlueTec engine is more expensive and yet worse off in nearly every specification; but this is all done in the interest of reduced NOx emmisions - see Consumer Reports Cars Blog: How Mercedes.

The bit that I am ****** about is the upgrade to the standard E350 BlueEfficiency engine, which has 15% more torque and 12% more power; with reduced CO2 and improved economy. It grates me that this is within weeks of my taking delivery.

I understand manufacturers improve engines regularly; my 2007 XC90 is trapped in a £400+ VED band - a year later Volvo revised _only_ the CO2 figure for the car (£200;ish VED band). Every other figure stayed the same; except the car's weight, which _increased_!

This VED banding system is IMO driving bad manufacturer behaviour - the figures are so massaged it is ridiculous. The headline CO2 is achieved at unrealistic driving conditions; and the car could pollute like hell when driven normally.

Understanding how and why doesn't stop me feeling :wallbash: :doh::mad: though!

I understand your frustrations, I'm feeling really pi***d about this too. Why couldn't MB have upgraded the engines when they introduced these new shapes/models. Instead what MB did was keep pretty much the same output figures as the old 320 CDI engines and re-branded them as E350 CDI Blue Efficiency. Why couldn't they have introduced new higher performing engines with a new model of car? That is what every other manufacturer does. :doh:

Clearly they realised they were behind the game with the likes of Audi, BMW and Jag on their 3ltr equivalent diesels and are now wanting to do something about it. I even spent 2k getting it Brabus chipped, had I have known these engines were coming out later I would have held back and waited until this engine came out and then placed an order. Only had my car 6 months and feel like it is the old model, feel like I have lost interest in the car. :wallbash: It's even worse for you given you have only had your car 2 weeks. This is all a load of pants and I'm really angry with MB about this. I feel it is out of character for MB to make a change in the engines this early into a new model of car but I put it down to the reason that the competition from the other big brands has forced them to do this.
 

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