Well, that was Ludicrous!

[markjay]

Hi , do they stop as quickly as they accelerate ?

I think we can agree that the short answer to your question is : No. It will accelerate faster than it brakes.

 

[BTB 500]

Instinctively I would expect cars to brake quicker than they accelerate, but with a Tesla Model S Plaid doing 0-60 in 2.5 seconds, I can't see it stopping from 60mph in 2.5 seconds.

Pretty close, if you achieve the 1G (9.81 m/s per sec) deceleration mentioned. 60 mph is 26.8 m/s, so 2.7 secs to stop from that speed.

 

[DanE350cdi]

A mate of mine has a highly breathed on rs6 and a Tesla, and there isn't much in it. But the rs6 can outbreak the Tesla. I no which I prefer though.

 

[ChipChop]

Ask them to remove their headphones - not that they'll hear you.

I have been cycling since i was bmx obsessed kid in the 80's. Never used a walkman/ ipod whilst riding a bicycle. There are too many drivers that have a chip on their shoulders about cyclists and play fast and loose with rider safety on the road. Hence why i avoid roads like the plague, easy enough on a mtb thanks to bridleways and trail centers.

 

[BTB 500]

I have been cycling since i was bmx obsessed kid in the 80's. Never used a walkman/ ipod whilst riding a bicycle. There are too many drivers that have a chip on their shoulders about cyclists and play fast and loose with rider safety on the road. Hence why i avoid roads like the plague, easy enough on a mtb thanks to bridleways and trail centers.

Bone conduction headphones are probably the best option if you must listen to music but want to retain situational awareness. I'm looking at getting some for Mrs BTB who currently jogs with conventional headphones on.

 

[Bellow]

I have been cycling since i was bmx obsessed kid in the 80's. Never used a walkman/ ipod whilst riding a bicycle.

I see it constantly on the A96 and to my mind it's crazy. Maybe though, those cyclists know they will be holding up the traffic so don't feel the need to hear them, the queue will form anyway.

There are too many drivers that have a chip on their shoulders about cyclists and play fast and loose with rider safety on the road. Hence why i avoid roads like the plague, easy enough on a mtb thanks to bridleways and trail centers.

Can't comment on other drivers' attitude to cyclists but I quit cycling (before the 'passing law' came into force) because I found it impossible to get cars behind me to overtake and I didn't enjoy having traffic behind me unable to overtake decisively and safely. When driving, as much as cyclists can be an impediment, I'll never do anything to threaten their safety or in any way intimidate them.

 

[markjay]

A mate of mine has a highly breathed on rs6 and a Tesla, and there isn't much in it. But the rs6 can outbreak the Tesla. I no which I prefer though.

It's indeed very impressive that a standard Tesla can match a highly tuned RS6 for performance. You can only imagine what the Plaid model is like....

That been said, my interest is purely academic (really) - I don't actually have a Tesla and have no plans of getting one either (or an RS6, or a C63s, etc) - but I am impressed with the technology.

 

[ChipChop]

I see it constantly on the A96 and to my mind it's crazy. Maybe though, those cyclists know they will be holding up the traffic so don't feel the need to hear them, the queue will form anyway.

Can't comment on other drivers' attitude to cyclists but I quit cycling (before the 'passing law' came into force) because I found it impossible to get cars behind me to overtake and I didn't enjoy having traffic behind me unable to overtake decisively and safely. When driving, as much as cyclists can be an impediment, I'll never do anything to threaten their safety or in any way intimidate them.

I am not a road cyclist so not something i have experienced to be honest. Still had a few hair raising moments with motorists though as i am sure most cyclists have. Makes you quite wary of particular 'sorts' of drivers, namely Fiat 500's, Audi's and now EV's who magically appear all of a sudden over your right shoulder.

 

[ALFAitalia]

The new top dog is the 1234-horsepower Lucid Air Sapphire, which has three electric motors. The additional motor is mounted at the rear and provides insane acceleration performance to compete with the Tesla Model S Plaid. Lucid also claims a top speed of 200 mph......oh and then there the 0 - 60 in 1.89 seconds!!!
Better looking than all the Teslas to....IMO. Just the minor problem of finding the roughly £200,000 to pay for one!!!

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

The lack of recognisable car noises from EV's is not at all good for the cyclists they share the roads with.

Every cyclist or e-scooter on the road is another vehicle not being driven.
Yes, cyclists don't make engine noises, but that doesn't make bikes dangerous.
If a cyclist doesn't look around, and only depends on her ears before changing direction, it's her that's at fault.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Very few Ev's are completely silent.....most have a noticeable whir. Even if not, unless you are revving an ICE car, most of the noise of passing traffic is the tyres on the road....same as the EV. And of course since 2019 its a legal requirement for all new electric cars to make a sound at speeds up to 12.4mph. Many like VW (and no doubt others) have the option to make noise at faster speeds.

 

[markjay]

Very few Ev's are completely silent.....most have a noticeable whir. Even if not, unless you are revving an ICE car, most of the noise of passing traffic is the tyres on the road....same as the EV. And of course since 2019 its a legal requirement for all new electric cars to make a sound at speeds up to 12.4mph. Many like VW (and no doubt others) have the option to make noise at faster speeds.

My experience is that the main risk from EVs is when they start moving after bring stopped or parked. The initial movement of an EV is very silent and can catch out pedestrians.

But an EV moving at normal town driving speeds (20mph + ) will certainly generate enough noise to be heard by pedestrians (unless the pedestrian is hard of hearing, obviously).

 

[whitenemesis]

My experience is that the main risk from EVs is when they start moving after bring stopped or parked. The initial movement of an EV is very silent and can catch out pedestrians.

From inside my RX the Tesla was totally silent as it sped away, that's what really stood out for me.

 

[AMGeed]

The new top dog is the 1234-horsepower Lucid Air Sapphire, which has three electric motors. The additional motor is mounted at the rear and provides insane acceleration performance to compete with the Tesla Model S Plaid. Lucid also claims a top speed of 200 mph......oh and then there the 0 - 60 in 1.89 seconds!!!
Better looking than all the Teslas to....IMO. Just the minor problem of finding the roughly £200,000 to pay for one!!!
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That is a rather nice looking car. Certainly beats the slab like Tesla for looks.
And check out the size of those front brake discs!

 

[ChipChop]

Yes, cyclists don't make engine noises, but that doesn't make bikes dangerous.
If a cyclist doesn't look around, and only depends on her ears before changing direction, it's her that's at fault.

In my experience the scumbags who ride silent electric motorcross bikes (Sur-rons etc) on and off road are extremely dangerous due to there power and not least because the police are unable/ unwilling to persue them and the morons that ride them know that.

As to the second point take the example of paths shared by cyclists and pedestrians. There is an expectation that cyclists approaching pedestrians from behind make there presence known by ringing a bell, because bicycles are quiet. The same expectation should apply between quiet/silent EV's and cyclists on roads imo. An EV should sound its 'bell' as a courtesy to the vulnerable cyclist.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

In my experience the scumbags who ride silent electric motorcross bikes (Sur-rons etc) on and off road are extremely dangerous due to there power and not least because the police are unable/ unwilling to persue them and the morons that ride them know that.

As to the second point take the example of paths shared by cyclists and pedestrians. There is an expectation that cyclists approaching pedestrians from behind make there presence known by ringing a bell, because bicycles are quiet. The same expectation should apply between quiet/silent EV's and cyclists on roads imo. An EV should sound its 'bell' as a courtesy to the vulnerable cyclist.

How often do cyclists ring their bell at you, Sir ?

Any other symptoms of tinnitus ?

Once again, every chav on on bus, bicycle or scooter, is one less beggar in a motor blocking the road.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

My experience is that the main risk from EVs is when they start moving after bring stopped or parked. The initial movement of an EV is very silent and can catch out pedestrians.
But an EV moving at normal town driving speeds (20mph + ) will certainly generate enough noise to be heard by pedestrians (unless the pedestrian is hard of hearing, obviously).

Exactly, EV's are plenty audible to pedestrians and bikes. All that lovely tyre and wind noise.

 

[JHS]

That is a rather nice looking car. Certainly beats the slab like Tesla for looks.
And check out the size of those front brake discs!

I find that all EVs look heavy ,in a bloated way.

 

[markjay]

Exactly, EV's are plenty audible to pedestrians and bikes. All that lovely tyre and wind noise.

There's also a humm from the electric motor when it's revving, it's not very loud but enough for pedestrians to notice under normal conditions.

 

[markjay]

In my experience the scumbags who ride silent electric motorcross bikes (Sur-rons etc) on and off road are extremely dangerous due to there power and not least because the police are unable/ unwilling to persue them and the morons that ride them know that.

As to the second point take the example of paths shared by cyclists and pedestrians. There is an expectation that cyclists approaching pedestrians from behind make there presence known by ringing a bell, because bicycles are quiet. The same expectation should apply between quiet/silent EV's and cyclists on roads imo. An EV should sound its 'bell' as a courtesy to the vulnerable cyclist.

I noticed that in this country sounding the car's horn is generally perceived as impolite... compared to some other European countries, anyway.

Perhaps cars should be equipped with some sort of chime to be used solely for the purpose of preemptively alerting pedestrians and cyclists to your presence, to be distinguished from the horn that may come across as a rude "get out of my way" .