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Well, that was Ludicrous!

Obviously there are exceptions....the i3 is a very light car by even ICE standards....so all you are doing is proving my point that weight matters! (You do have to put up with the odd people carriers looks and steering with no feel whatsoever though!!!)
I don't have to put up with the looks, I positively enjoy the fact that it is different, and if you think the steering has no feel you must have been driving in boxing gloves. :dk:
But all of that is of absolutely no consequence when compared to my smuggidity of knowing that my next 100 miles will cost me less than two quid as I'm feeding the car on my very own home grown, sun fresh Norfolk electricity 😃🤣🤣
 
I don't have to put up with the looks, I positively enjoy the fact that it is different, and if you think the steering has no feel you must have been driving in boxing gloves. :dk:
But all of that is of absolutely no consequence when compared to my smuggidity of knowing that my next 100 miles will cost me less than two quid as I'm feeding the car on my very own home grown, sun fresh Norfolk electricity 😃🤣🤣
I don’t bother replying to his posts anymore.
 
I don't have to put up with the looks, I positively enjoy the fact that it is different, and if you think the steering has no feel you must have been driving in boxing gloves. :dk:
But all of that is of absolutely no consequence when compared to my smuggidity of knowing that my next 100 miles will cost me less than two quid as I'm feeding the car on my very own home grown, sun fresh Norfolk electricity 😃🤣🤣
With your permission I'll borrow "smuggidity" as my Word Of The Week :thumb:
 
I don't have to put up with the looks, I positively enjoy the fact that it is different, and if you think the steering has no feel you must have been driving in boxing gloves. :dk:
But all of that is of absolutely no consequence when compared to my smuggidity of knowing that my next 100 miles will cost me less than two quid as I'm feeding the car on my very own home grown, sun fresh Norfolk electricity 😃🤣🤣
Fair enough.....I thought it was very light and lacking in feel and that my opinion which I'm entitled to....although I noticed that it was also the opinion on several road tests when they were new. Fair enough about the running costs.....cant argue with that.....but looking at your cars over the years I have a feeling that even high car running costs would not really be an issue to you!!!

From EVO


Ride and handling​

Unlike all other electric cars in the segment, the BMW i3 is built on a unique platform. It consists of an aluminium chassis and a carbon fibre reinforced plastic (CFRP) body, bonded together. This means it's incredibly strong, stiff and, crucially, light. That's to the benefit of handling of course, despite the tall sides, narrow track and bizarrely slender 5J x 19-inch alloy wheels and 155/70 tyres. Up front there's a simple MacPherson strut though the rear axle gains a sophisticated five-link layout that bolts directly to the drive module.

However, in spite of the rear-drive layout there's no pretending that the i3 is as engaging to drive as most of BMW's cars. That doesn't mean there's no fun to be had, especially as the weight is distinctly biased towards the rear of the car, but the DSC stability control system is keen to not let things get out of hand. Those thin tyres are designed more with low rolling resistance in mind than lateral grip as well so it's all too easy to overcome their hold on the road - especially in the wet.

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The electric power steering is devoid of feel, but it's pleasingly direct and the i3 has a fantastic turning circle, while the brakes (ventilated discs all-round) feel over-engineered for the car. Indeed, once you become accustomed to the regenerative braking effect (where the electric motor acts as an electricity generator to charge up the battery), it's possible to look ahead and judge when to leave off the throttle - hardly necessitating pressing the brake pedal at all. The skill and judgement this involves adds a strangely satisfying dimension to driving the i3.

Nonetheless, it's not all rosy for the i3, as ride comfort isn't great. The electric B-Class or Golf annihilate the BMW in that regard and while the i3 feels stable and comfortable at motorway speeds, around town the large wheels seem to pick up every little imperfection in the surface underneath. It's the primary ride more than the secondary, as the i3 absorbs bigger bumps such as speed humps, quite well. The optional 20-inch rims will obviously exacerbate the situation, so consider them carefully before taking the plunge.
 
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I don’t bother replying to his posts anymore.
Which is absolutely your right.........I dont agree with lots of the stuff on here........some of it is just factually incorrect so should be corrected......but lots is just opinion which is neither wrong or right. So if I say something you disagree with them why not respond.....especially if its factually incorrect......we all make mistakes. 36 years of being in sales has made me pretty thick skinned so you wont offend me (not easily at least!!). I do tend to say it as I see it....which some, more sensitive types, see as rude or offensive, but there is nothing I can do about that.....so sorry if I offend anyone....I'm not like that at all in real life. Before I push post on anything I always ask "would I say that to the mans face?".....if no, I don't post. But I wont just not post something just because I thing it might upset some snowflake....the problem is theirs not mine. To be clear IM NOT suggesting you are in the snowflake category......and as much as I don't always agree with what you say in the EV related threads etc, you clearly know your stuff and have lots of car knowledge so like to read what you have to say.......after so long in the motor trade I'm not completely STUPID myself (thanks @Mactech assuming IF the stupid comment was directed at me!) !

.....obviously you wont be replying to this post anyway!;)
 
You can't legislate against stupid, or indeed, stupidity......
"Never argue with fools. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain. If you can't avoid a fool, what's the next best way to deal with one? Mark Twain
 
Talk of handling and steering feel in the context of an electric city car is somewhat out of place, and is similarly true for the majority of other cars on the road, which are simply used to move people and things from one place to another.

Most city cars, SUVs and even four door saloons are not track weapons or B road blasters. They were never designed to be, and never used in that way either. Some will have been designed deliberately that way favouring other design parameters.

IMHO it’s mostly automotive journalists, some Evo readers and some Pistonheads members who care most about steering feel and handling in city cars, SUVs and four door saloons, and many of those prefer to type and talk rather than do.

The ones who genuinely value cars with steering feel and handling will not expect a city car; SUV or four door saloon to drive like a Cayman, Elise, Noble, MX-5. They’ll have - or aspire to have - a car which is not compromised by doing everything.

All IMHO of course.
 
Talk of handling and steering feel in the context of an electric city car is somewhat out of place, and is similarly true for the majority of other cars on the road, which are simply used to move people and things from one place to another.

Most city cars, SUVs and even four door saloons are not track weapons or B road blasters. They were never designed to be, and never used in that way either. Some will have been designed deliberately that way favouring other design parameters.

IMHO it’s mostly automotive journalists, some Evo readers and some Pistonheads members who care most about steering feel and handling in city cars, SUVs and four door saloons, and many of those prefer to type and talk rather than do.

The ones who genuinely value cars with steering feel and handling will not expect a city car; SUV or four door saloon to drive like a Cayman, Elise, Noble, MX-5. They’ll have - or aspire to have - a car which is not compromised by doing everything.

All IMHO of course.
I believe that any comments about steering racks are just a matter of a pinion…..😬
 
Not found one that felt light and alive (not saying they are not out there).......but to 90% of owners this would not matter of course....same as a comparison between a C63 and a M3......they are different.....but most drivers wont be able to tell on there commute or holidays and people dont drive like road testers and most never go in a track!!
Your figure of 90% of EV owners may well be true of ICE too. I've seen a C63 trounced in corners by a 2.5 ton truck running on 65% aspect AT tyres. The only difference I can see is that while it doesn't consciously matter to the EV owner, it does to the ICE owner but they lack the skill to exploit what they have. That they dislike being trounced is evident by their rate of departure - when the road eventually straightens.
Sounds like an isolated incident but I've seen plenty 'performance' cars destroyed (passed and left for dead) by a 65hp smart fortwo on B-roads.
The weight thing is not so much an anti EV thing....just an anti weight thing........If I was in the market for a new fast saloon the 2 ton plus weight of the latest C63 would take it off my roadtest list before even driving it.......
Broadly agree that more weight isn't good but sometimes it is unavoidable and, in the real world, driver skill makes a greater difference than weight when the road gets twisty.
 
Well I’m writing a monthly column in Racecar Engineering magazine, so just maybe I could..🙃
 
Much groaning, you mean?
 

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