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Which E class Diesel engine to go for.

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Hi Guys,
Thinking of buying a new work horse. Looking at e class diesel estates around 2010 to 2013. I’ve heard the 3.0 is bullit proof but I need to keep one eye on mpg as I do some miles. I would really appreciate your advice on this.
Thanks
Paul
 
Early W212 350s can have issues with oil cooler seals - cheap enough parts but a lot of labour so check that’s been done. 👍

If you want a truly reliable model, go for the older W211 IL6 OM648.... most would agree those are SOLID! :)
 
Hi Guys,
Thinking of buying a new work horse. Looking at e class diesel estates around 2010 to 2013. I’ve heard the 3.0 is bullit proof but I need to keep one eye on mpg as I do some miles. I would really appreciate your advice on this.
Thanks
Paul
I had the 350 CDI (which is the 3.0) in my 2012 CLS, same engine in the E. Believe it's called the OM642.

It was solid and a great performer, lots of torque and good mid range acceleration. Would highly recommend.


Early W212 350s can have issues with oil cooler seals - cheap enough parts but a lot of labour so check that’s been done. 👍

Would agree with this comment, but I don't think it's a replace once and it's done thing, had to replace mine at least a couple of times in 5 years of ownership.
 
E250 if mpg is an issue . Still more than powerful enough , a cheeky remap will get you close anyways.
 
I love my E250. As long as the engine and trans mounts are ok it’s smooth and quiet. pre-covid I did regular continental trips so consumption was a consideration against the 350. I think the 250 is more than powerful enough, even on autobahns and it’s not a car for hooning around in anyway!
 
Own/run both 250 and 350 saloon.

The 250 is a perfectly adequate and capable choice which is underrated. Naturally, the 350 has more of everything (bhp/torque/costs).

If you are a "spirited" driver then the 350 will probably be your choice.

Without a shadow of a doubt the 250 will return better MPG whilst doing most things that the 350 delivers.
 
If you went for an E350 CDI, and were really lucky, try to get one that has recently had the oil cooler seals replaced. £800+ for that job, depending on what is found/changed.


See here for some comment on them:

Post in thread 'Slight smell OM642' Slight smell OM642 | Engine
 
Well it depends on how much you want to spend,but I have driven the avengarde 2.5 e class estate 2012 and it was a great car,also second hand 12 grand gets you a low mileage one, good on fuel as well given the size of the beast.
 
I have the E250 and love it, gentle rumble of the engine is nice, fuel is also very good, plenty quick enough.
What about something like this
 
I have the E250 and love it, gentle rumble of the engine is nice, fuel is also very good, plenty quick enough.
What about something like this
Looks great that, I was thinking if it’s got the history and backgroundmileage doesn’t matter so much.
 
Looks like it could be the E250 estate then reading this. I think the extra mpg would really help and from what you guys said it’s a good all rounder. Thanks for the info guys I appreciate it.
Regards
Paul
 
Depends on yourself clearly but arguably you may be about to overlook one of the best diesel engines ever produced in the 350cdi. The 250 is very good, but the 350 is wicked. I’d definitely try both before making a decision. Buying from a reputable source is key.
 
I am going to take your advice and test drive both as I am still torn between the 250/350. Does the 350 have a different gearbox to the 250?. I have already seen some pretty good 350 examples for sale and usually they seem to be quite scarce.
 
I am going to take your advice and test drive both as I am still torn between the 250/350. Does the 350 have a different gearbox to the 250?. I have already seen some pretty good 350 examples for sale and usually they seem to be quite scarce.
The later 265bhp 350CDI is both more powerful, frugal and cheaper to tax.
 
Whilst it's oil cooler seals for £1k on the E350, it's timing chain on the 2.1 OM651 diesel (E220/250).

Useful reading for the OM651.

In summary, turn off stop/start at the beginning of every journey, as that is probably the cause of snapped or stretched timing chains on OM651 diesel engine.

If you hear unusual noises at start up, either squeeking or noisy tensioners or pulleys, or a slap slap or clack clack of a loose timing chain for 2-5 seconds, get it looked at. The thread suggests no rush; I'd say if you get the noise, get it looked at pretty much immediately.
Timing chain rattle will be most evident after oil changes.

Plenty with high miles (hundreds of K), but those must have been living at 60-70mph to get 400k on them by now, so no stop starts like in traffic and at junctions.

Just keep an ear out for the noise, and if you hear nothing (from outside the car or with the door/window open) don't worry about it.

They won't find it on service. It happens quite suddenly and you'll need to hear it and catch it, otherwise it will stretch or snap the chain. It probably won't happen, but better to know that on the very small off chance if you hear a noise only on start up, don't ignore it.

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This vid is typical. He starts the car at 8 secs, you can hear the metallic rattle/slapping, and then at 12 secs it stops.
 
Have the OM642 engine in my CLK and previous car was a C250cdi (OM651 engine) - both cars were great to run. the C250 engine brought in better mpg but the OM642 was not that much more thirsty; however both cars spent the majority of their journeys on the motorway. Both have the same 7g tronic gearbox; so imperative whichever engine you go for you do the transmission service if it hasn't been done previously. OM642 engines do suffer from leaking oil cooler seals; MB rectified this with an updated purple seal which is meant to be better than the previous orange seals.
 
Apparently it's not stretched or snapped timing chains but the tensioner that fails .


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The 250 makes sense as it's low rpm bi-turbo torque is useable 95% of the time , I've not driven a 350 and have no doubt it's a beaut .

I drove a C 63 though and was frustrated at the lack of opportunity to use it's potential and it's return of 18 mpg .
 
I am going to take your advice and test drive both as I am still torn between the 250/350. ........

If you do this - we need you to return and "justify" why/if you opted for the 250 over the 350 :)
 
I am going to take your advice and test drive both as I am still torn between the 250/350. Does the 350 have a different gearbox to the 250?. I have already seen some pretty good 350 examples for sale and usually they seem to be quite scarce.

later models like mine have the 9g gearbox . 70 mph at just over 1000 rpm .
 

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