Adblue delete

[BTB 500]

...as would the dirty tail pipes with DPF deletion.

A lot of average owners have next to no technical knowledge and probably wouldn't know what a DPF was, or whether their car was meant to have one!

 

[BTB 500]

Why should they? Isn’t it the owner’s responsibility to ensure that their car is roadworthy?

How would the 3rd or 4th owner of an older car know that (for example) an EGR delete had been done? Or swirl flaps deleted? Or even (as in my case) whether there'd been a power upgrade? I'd never driven a Audi A4 before, so short of taking it for a dyno session there would have been no way for me to know whether it had gained some extra bhp at some point or was still stock.

As mentioned a large majority of car owners/drivers are not remotely technical ... they just put fuel in and drive. It's not reasonable to expect them to identify internal modifications to the engine done by a previous owner.

 

[Mickyh7]

It was nor aimed at him, rather at your final comment "Spelling Monitors and Grammar Police are a bit naff these days!".

Which I stand firm on.
If you told my mate that he'd spelt There/Their wrong, you might find yourself on your ****!
Spelling and Grammer patronisation on the forums is nothing but a sad, frustrated person, trying to get the last word, on a subject they generally know little about.
It's usually followed by asking "how much is your house or car worth"!
They ought to be made to sit on the bottom step, and to think about themselves for a while?

 

[rf065]

AdBlue never needs topping up and car never does DPF re-gen and the owner doesn't know that these have been deleted?

My wife and daughter do absolutely zero to their cars, I do it all for them or it would just be ignored. Ask them if they have dpf or egr etc and you'll get a blank look. So you would refuse them insurance on the basis that they should know what these things are, if a previous owner had them deleted? That's precisely why the regulators stopped insurance companies refusing to pay out if someone innocently put the wrong answer on their insurance form.

 

[Bellow]

My wife and daughter do absolutely zero to their cars, I do it all for them or it would just be ignored. Ask them if they have dpf or egr etc and you'll get a blank look.

But there is someone doing maintenance (you) and if you realised that the AdBlue never required topping up and/or the inside of the tailpipe was filthy black - wouldn't you tell them?

So you would refuse them insurance on the basis that they should know what these things are, if a previous owner had them deleted? That's precisely why the regulators stopped insurance companies refusing to pay out if someone innocently put the wrong answer on their insurance form.

Not really interested on insurance position but at point of selling a car, a prospective purchaser could ask for a recent AdBlue receipt and run a finger inside a tailpipe to check for cleanliness - or otherwise. Was ignorance ever a defence?

 

[rf065]

Not really interested on insurance position but at point of selling a car, a Was ignorance ever a defence?

Caveat emptor is the phrase your looking for

 

[Bellow]

Caveat emptor is the phrase your looking for

Indeed. And as either a prospective buyer is adept enough to perform those basic checks or their representative is, there's no excuse for buying someone else's bodged POS. When that prevails, it may act as a deterrent to the bodgers.

 

[JHS]

Which I stand firm on.
If you told my mate that he'd spelt There/Their wrong, you might find yourself on your ****!
Spelling and Grammer patronisation on the forums is nothing but a sad, frustrated person, trying to get the last word, on a subject they generally know little about.
It's usually followed by asking "how much is your house or car worth"!
They ought to be made to sit on the bottom step, and to think about themselves for a while?

I just find it sad that our language is treated with such disdain. Spelling and grammar have been treated as unimportant and dumbed down by a succession of trendy educators, which has resulted in generations of school leavers incapable of writing a coherent sentence.It is not their fault, but I find their pride in, and their defence of, their ignorance strange.
We all make mistakes, and hopefully learn from them, but we should not get defensive, and label it as patronising, when corrected.

 

[ALFAitalia]

I just find it sad that our language is treated with such disdain. Spelling and grammar have been treated as unimportant and dumbed down by a succession of trendy educators, which has resulted in generations of school leavers incapable of writing a coherent sentence.It is not their fault, but I find their pride in, and their defence of, their ignorance strange.
We all make mistakes, and hopefully learn from them, but we should not get defensive, and label it as patronising, when corrected.

You mean like using a comma in places its not needed, no space at the end of a sentence, using "it is" when you should use it's?......stuff like that!!!???

 

[markjay]

AdBlue never needs topping up and car never does DPF re-gen and the owner doesn't know that these have been deleted?

I guarantee you that there are Diesel car owners out there who have never heard of AdBlue, and only Googled it when an error message was showing on the dash...

And, on a car with low annual mileage, if the dealer tops up the AdBlue at each service, the owner might never even know that the car needed it.

 

[Tonye]

Just out of curiosity, a question for the adblue users out there.
How much would you normally use per mile in a 220 or 250 ?
Not that ive noticed myself

 

[OneForTheRoad]

Just out of curiosity, a question for the adblue users out there.
How much would you normally use per mile in a 220 or 250 ?
Not that ive noticed myself

It's easier to use 1000 miles as a guide tbh. 1 mile would maybe use a thimble full ??

 

[Tonye]

It's easier to use 1000 miles as a guide tbh. 1 mile would maybe use a thimble full ??

Agreed, didn't engage brain. Or fill ups of fuel to adblue ratio maybe.

 

[tode]

Over 12 years, in my 350, I've used 1.26 litre/1000 miles . . .

 

[OneForTheRoad]

Agreed, didn't engage brain. Or fill ups of fuel to adblue ratio maybe.

I can't see a connection there TBF. I filled up my ad blue tank and it said 9000 miles , that's all I needed to know .

 

[JHS]

You mean like using a comma in places its not needed, no space at the end of a sentence, using "it is" when you should use it's?......stuff like that!!!???

As I said, we all make mistakes and I thank you for pointing out the ones that you think that I made and I must improve my typing skills so that I do not make so many typographical errors such as spacing.
By the way, I think that you will find that "it's" is the abbreviation of "it is". So both would be correct.

 

[Tonye]

And, on a car with low annual mileage, if the dealer tops up the AdBlue at each service, the owner might never even know that the car needed it.

I filled up my ad blue tank and it said 9000 miles , that's all I needed to know .

That all makes sense.

 

[rf065]

Just out of curiosity, a question for the adblue users out there.
How much would you normally use per mile in a 220 or 250 ?
Not that ive noticed myself

To be honest, a full tank in mine used to say it had around 15,000 miles worth of adblue. After 18 months running which included 2 trips to France and Spain, it still read over 12,000 miles. I got the impression it hardly used any at all.
After the first Nox sensor issue, it had the dreaded MB software update and with a new Nox sensor now claimed a full tank was only good for 6400 miles.
I felt a bit shortchanged with this, but in the next 10 months before the next fault appeared, it still hardly used any at all, I think it was down to 5,900 miles.

 

[TC350]

No it's not. Insurance companies cannot hold you reponsible for answering a question wrongly if you are not expected to know the correct answer, it's now the law.

I’m more concerned about the legal requirement. Which in turn has a bearing on the validity of insurance cover.

Check your vehicle is safe to drive

You must make sure your car, motorcycle or other vehicle is safe to drive (‘roadworthy’) all year round.

www.gov.uk

 

[TC350]

How would the 3rd or 4th owner of an older car know that (for example) an EGR delete had been done? Or swirl flaps deleted? Or even (as in my case) whether there'd been a power upgrade? I'd never driven a Audi A4 before, so short of taking it for a dyno session there would have been no way for me to know whether it had gained some extra bhp at some point or was still stock.

As mentioned a large majority of car owners/drivers are not remotely technical ... they just put fuel in and drive. It's not reasonable to expect them to identify internal modifications to the engine done by a previous owner.

You could say the same about a driver/owner not knowing the minimum tread depth on their tyres, but they’re still responsible for ensuring that they’re compliant.