Ahh! the benefits of EV motoring....

[ALFAitalia]

Fill yer boots: Selling electricity to EV drivers: what the supply regulations mean for different charging scenarios

Section 2 describes the logic of supply and re-supply, while section 3 goes into detail about different EV charging scenarios. Bottom line is that the charging of an EV from a chargepoint is not "supply" because the EV isn't classed as "premises" and therefore the Maximum Resale Price rules don't apply.

HTH?

Thanks....every day is a school day.

 

[rf065]

For sure. Richard Symons did that 850 miles in 15 1/2 hours. How long do you take to do 850 miles in a diesel ?

Why do think that a diesel would be faster than an EV to do 850 miles?

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You've already stated the EV stopped for 92 minutes to recharge, the diesel would not.
I've done 1200 miles in 17 hours, that included 2 hours on a ferry, so 850 in 15.5 hours ain't that quick.

 

[clk320x]

You've already stated the EV stopped for 92 minutes to recharge, the diesel would not.
I've done 1200 miles in 17 hours, that included 2 hours on a ferry, so 850 in 15.5 hours ain't that quick.

Stopping for 92 minutes over 15.5 hours? Surely most humans will need an hour and a half worth of rest over 15 hours of driving? (Bare in mind it’ll be a few say 30 min stop) The car will be ready before the humans are on most stops…

 

[ALFAitalia]

So 1200 miles in 15 hours of actual driving?...thats an AVERAGE of 80mph!. Even on our mad bikes runs to the South of France for the BolDor we never managed that. Not saying it didn't happen but to average 80mpg would mean rarely dropping below about 110mph.......other wise you would lose all the time on junctions, roundabouts, refuelling etc.

 

[rf065]

So 1200 miles in 15 hours of actual driving?...thats an AVERAGE of 80mph!. Even on our mad bikes runs to the South of France for the BolDor we never managed that. Not saying it didn't happen but to average 80mpg would mean rarely dropping below about 110mph.......other wise you would lose all the time on junctions, roundabouts, refuelling etc.

95% m/way, so not many junctions or roundabouts, so 110mph is not required.

 

[clk320x]

95% m/way, so not many junctions or roundabouts, so 110mph is not required.

If time is of the essence surely just fly…

 

[rf065]

If time is of the essence surely just fly…

Unfortunately while in Spain, Brittany Ferries went on strike and cancelled the Santander to Plymouth Ferry, we had to drive to Calais instead.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

95% m/way, so not many junctions or roundabouts, so 110mph is not required.

Excellent. You'll be driving mainly at night when those speed cameras are switched off for maintenance.

An average speed of 80mph on the M2 and down through France is very impressive.

Do you have meds for your bladder, or just an empty lucozade bottle?



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[MikeInWimbledon]

Perfect case for for you to stay with a diesel.

Who needs 3p a mile to do the other 12,000 miles in a year - £360 -

when you can do UK to Spain in less than a day in a diesel?

Saves a good £100 on the overnight stay halfway.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

I'll stick with my petrol for the foreseeable future - for the build quality / driving pleasure / comfort.

Even through my head, stomach and bladder insists on a good lunch, a great dinner, an overnight stay and a few comfort breaks along the way.

But interesting to hear that so many people drive 850 miles in a day, at an average speed of 80mph, as a routine thing.

 

[Mactech]

I can't imagine why I bothered to take the diesel Macan on my recent Norfolk/Mull/ Norfolk 1200 mile trip and not the little EV
Oh yes! There was slightly more room for the dogs. Outrageous that I actually had to stop for fuel once during the trip as well....
I have just got a BMW EV 'fuel' card which makes most of the charging network just a tap away....but I'm yet to use it.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Excellent news. Do you do that 15 hour 850 mile journey often? Couple of times a week, maybe?

Richard Symons, the EV dealer, did the journey in 15 1/2 hours a year ago (5am to 8.25pm. Wet day, lots of traffic on the M6)

Apparently the fastest EV charging time for that 850 mile journey is 92 minutes on the chargers

EV charging record set for John O'Groats to Lands End run - Zapmap

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Good effort: averaging 61 mph (850 miles in 14 hours) is really impressive considering that the long stretch between Preston and Exeter (where all the traffic is) will have been in morning rush hour, daytime and evening rush hour traffic. Daytime between Manchester and Birmingham is not fun. I think you’d need to be cruising at more than 70 mph when conditions allowed in order to achieve even that.

The fact that he only stopped for 1.5 hours for recharging is remarkable too, stopping for breakfast, lunch, dinner - or more likely twice to eat plus a couple of drink/wee stops along the way - would easily account for 1.5 hours in an ICE vehicle. I dare say it’s possible to have no rests, only eat/drink whilst driving, and only have a wee when refueling, but I don’t believe that’s either safe or palatable anywhere other than on an automotive Internet forum

 

[BTB 500]

Stopping for 92 minutes over 15.5 hours? Surely most humans will need an hour and a half worth of rest over 15 hours of driving? (Bare in mind it’ll be a few say 30 min stop) The car will be ready before the humans are on most stops…

If you have two adults on board it's not necessarily the same person driving all the time.

It takes us about 13 hours to get to the in-laws (south of Germany), with one short fuel stop and a bit of a break at the Eurotunnel (including using the toilets). Total road distance is around 680 miles, virtually all motorway, normally cruising at 75 mph / 120 kph.

 

[Petrol Pete]

So 1200 miles in 15 hours of actual driving?...thats an AVERAGE of 80mph!. Even on our mad bikes runs to the South of France for the BolDor we never managed that. Not saying it didn't happen but to average 80mpg would mean rarely dropping below about 110mph.......other wise you would lose all the time on junctions, roundabouts, refuelling etc.

Ha ! slight thread hijack . Once on my way back from The BolDor on my Fireblade I realised I was not going to make my ferry home . I filled the bike up and ...er ...GASSED it . Frucking fliyin I was !! when I was brave enough to look down at the speedo it was rarely below 100 mph.

Suddenly the bike coughed and slowed down .! Blown engine ?? No . I had simply gone on to reserve after less than 80 miles !

Missed the ferry , got squeezed on to the next one , got home just as the girlfriend (now wife) was leaving home for work the next morning . Ahhh , happy days .

As you were.

 

[Fastcar155]

Hi , Battery cars are clearly excellent for local journeys around town but for me long distance journeys for me must be in a petrol engine car.

I was in Faro yesterday and the service bus arrived to collect the waiting passages and the driver decided to show how good the pick up is , it was quick , quite and very smooth.

First bus should take note.

 

[Connoisseur]

I can't imagine why I bothered to take the diesel Macan on my recent Norfolk/Mull/ Norfolk 1200 mile trip and not the little EV
Oh yes! There was slightly more room for the dogs. Outrageous that I actually had to stop for fuel once during the trip as well....
I have just got a BMW EV 'fuel' card which makes most of the charging network just a tap away....but I'm yet to use it.

The i3 is a teeny and breathless town car, whatever powered by, cars that size, by design, don’t do 1200 mile trips easily. The Macan ev will, with ease, once Audi/VW sort out some workable infotainment. Latest is they are now looking at Google systems, a la Polestar. Parties and breweries come to mind…

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

The i3 is a teeny and breathless town car, whatever powered by, cars that size, by design, don’t do 1200 mile trips easily. The Macan ev will, with ease, once Audi/VW sort out some workable infotainment. Latest is they are now looking at Google systems, a la Polestar. Parties and breweries come to mind…

Exactly. Large luxury, sporty EV’s don’t yet exist. But they will, in due course, but probably not as quickly as the EU’s schedule.

Infotainment systems? Like seatbelts, lightbulbs, gearboxes and brakepads, such things belong to the component supplier, not to the car assembler. CarPlay works, bespoke inbuilt tech like linguatronics doesn’t work when you get it and becomes even more laughable at five or ten years old.

 

[Mactech]

The i3 is a teeny and breathless town car, whatever powered by,

Can't dispute that the i3 is only 4M long, but is quite large on the inside! Breathless is only because it has no exhaust pipe...not because it lacks power or more especially, torque!
Range is really the only thing which prevents it being real long distance car.

 

[Connoisseur]

Can't dispute that the i3 is only 4M long, but is quite large on the inside! Breathless is only because it has no exhaust pipe...not because it lacks power or more especially, torque!
Range is really the only thing which prevents it being real long distance car.

I3 is a great car we had two breathless cos it is super fast up to circa 40mish mph, then it runs out of puff the Porsche et al manage to get ahead

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

(Cough). Ride quality.
Short wheelbase & stiff suspension

Like a petrol MINI on runflats, you could do 800 miles at an average of 80mph, but you wouldn’t choose to do so, if you had something longer, more luxurious and softer.