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Autocar Rates new E above new 5 Series

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Autocar Rates New E class Ahead of BMW 5 series.

Autocar magazine has declared the E-Class Saloon the winner in a head to head road test with the new BMW 5 Series, taken on 3rd February 2010. “Never has the
E-Class,” writes Autocar, “stood so proud of its class as this one does today.”

The saloon scores highly on several fronts, with its spacious, luxurious cabin singled out for particular praise: “…the way the E-Class deploys its wood and leather and subtle but extensive use of chrome has a class missing from the BMW.”

The E-Class also gets rave reviews for its sublime driving experience, which is
“…quieter, smoother and, as a result, more sophisticated (than the 5 Series), while still being plenty swift enough to offer all the performance most buyers will ever want.”

Steering is “smooth and almost liquid by comparison (with the 5 Series), free of friction and wonderfully linear and precise’. What’s more, “…the Mercedes is perhaps the finest-riding car ever to wear steel springs.”

As for acoustics, “… it is the Mercedes that is the quieter of the two… you hear a lot less of the engine, a phenomenon that helps bolster the sense of opulence and luxury that so distinguishes the E-Class.”
 
Thanks.

I recall the test.

The F10 BMW gets the full autocar road test next week. You have been making some BMW noises for a while, I reckon you'll be reading it with interest.

I have to say a few things that clarify your post.

The 212 has a lot of 204 in there. This is a good thing. Dynamically the 204 is a very accomplished car to drive with lots of steering feel (more so than the E90 3 series but maybe less mechanical grip). The 212 probably has a very similar set up so its well honed to drive.

Having sat in a 212 the cabin was functional but to call it luxurious takes it a bit far. Utilitarian and solid yes, luxuriously appointed, nope.

By contrast BMW use an electically assited steering rack (MB electro hydraulic) to gain 1mpg in the combined cycle tests. This makes the steering deviod of feedback and feel compared to a hydraulic set up. I prefer the MB approach rather than BMWs efficient dynamics which will compromise their cars.

This particular BMW (like its predeccessor) is very spec sensative. Steel springs and no 4 wheel steering (callled active steering IIRC) makes the car very odd and not predictable to drive according to road tests. The standard set up is better and with smaller wheels probably comfy enough and nice to drive.

I reckon the F10 5 in poverty spec with a 2 litre diesel probably is a fairly compelling car, especially for the money which isnt a million miles off top spec mondeo money. You get REAL leather standard and a nice enough cabin, which IIRC the 212 misses out on so you have to add a bit to your MB to get it to 5 series spec. And then there is this injector issue. Ok BMW have their turbo one but on a new car it won't be an issue if you take care of it (i.e. idle it after a drive).

PS. MBs 211 AG handles well and on a back road run I left the E60 5 series for dead. It was an SE however.
 
Dynamically the 204 is a very accomplished car to drive with lots of steering feel (more so than the E90 3 series but maybe less mechanical grip).

Having owned both, I reckon you must have been a BMW owner in your previous life Steve (well, secretly anyway)!

Thats the only way you would have got this comment so absolutely spot on. :thumb:
 
Having owned both, I reckon you must have been a BMW owner in your previous life Steve (well, secretly anyway)!

Thats the only way you would have got this comment so absolutely spot on. :thumb:

Never driven an E90 but driven heaps of BMWs and owned two. The road test of the E90 and a drive of a Z4 (with the said electro assisted steering confirms my thoughts, no feedback, just artificial resistance).

The steering feel was one of the BIG impressions I had of the 204 and it took me very by suprise in a good way.

I did have 2 BMWs-both liked petrol.

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BBC Radio 2. Are you sure you're in your 20s? :)
 
I think it was only a matter of time before Mercedes did this. I just get the impression BMW have been treading water on the dynamic balance of their cars, while Mercedes have really been improving this while keeping the ride refinement.

I must admit to being very disappointed with the looks of the new 5. The Bangle era seems to have reached a dead end much more quickly, and it just looks like a 3 series put through the copier at 110%. Dull.
 
Are BMW still persisting with their use of run flat tyres? If this is the case they are competing in the suspension " ride comfort/handling wars" with one hand tied behind their back. :crazy: What's wrong with a full size spare wheel/tyre anyway? :doh: I have yet to drive the new E class but if it shares the [high frequency jitter] ride of the adaptive dampers of the W204 then that's not good.:( There is such variation in the ride quality of the newer models depending on their suspension and wheel combination its difficult to make comparisons like for like. Some Audi models now offer a 16 to 20 " variation in wheel diameter depending on specification which must have a huge influence on their handling/ ride. One thing is certain I have lost count of the number of new model reviews by motoring journalists which include phrases like " the entry line model with its conservative tyre and wheel combination offers the best ride quality in the range" Go figure.:dk:
 
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Autocar Rates New E class Ahead of BMW 5 series.

Autocar magazine has declared the E-Class Saloon the winner in a head to head road test with the new BMW 5 Series, taken on 3rd February 2010. “Never has the
E-Class,” writes Autocar, “stood so proud of its class as this one does today.”

The saloon scores highly on several fronts, with its spacious, luxurious cabin singled out for particular praise: “…the way the E-Class deploys its wood and leather and subtle but extensive use of chrome has a class missing from the BMW.”

The E-Class also gets rave reviews for its sublime driving experience, which is
“…quieter, smoother and, as a result, more sophisticated (than the 5 Series), while still being plenty swift enough to offer all the performance most buyers will ever want.”

Steering is “smooth and almost liquid by comparison (with the 5 Series), free of friction and wonderfully linear and precise’. What’s more, “…the Mercedes is perhaps the finest-riding car ever to wear steel springs.”

As for acoustics, “… it is the Mercedes that is the quieter of the two… you hear a lot less of the engine, a phenomenon that helps bolster the sense of opulence and luxury that so distinguishes the E-Class.”


The ASA will be after you. You seem to have missed a couple of positioning points, for some reason:

"..it is a hideously close-run contest, determined by nuances here and there and a presumed order of priority that some customers may not share."

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"Truth is, buyers will probably choose on which skill set is more appropriate to their desires and circumstances.

But, forced to choose, Frankel goes for the Merc "by a gnat's g-string"."
 
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Autocar seem to be very inconsistent these days, and 'bigging up' nearly everything MB do, even when I find otherwise from my own experience. I've been re-reading the issue comparing the Ghost with the Phantom (more of that later) and Sutters is comparing the R8 to the TT and saying how bad the ride is in the R8. Fast forward to the long term test in the same issue and the R8 tester raves about how well the R8 rides.
 
Thanks.


The 212 has a lot of 204 in there. This is a good thing. Dynamically the 204 is a very accomplished car to drive with lots of steering feel (more so than the E90 3 series but maybe less mechanical grip). The 212 probably has a very similar set up so its well honed to drive.
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No it doesnt. The Steeting feedback of the e90 is better and more precise than the W204
 
I have never rated BMW personally, but trying to be neutral, I do think the BMW interior is starting to look very dated. Every one has a similar look that reminds me of the BMWs of the mid 90's.
 
BBC Radio 2. Are you sure you're in your 20s? :)

I get bullied for the choice of music I have.

My old GF said to me re my iPod "It feels like we have ran off with your dads car and found his music on"

Charming.

Radio 2 is good. Better than radio 1 which I quite frankly refuse to listen too.

What was this thread about again???

MB vs BMW and the autocar report. Yes, for once the E class beats the 5 series but by a fraction and those that moan about the appearance of the new 5 series, well, the 212 could have been styled better.

This debate really does make me think I need do do an *** road test of a 212. ;):cool:
 
I admit, I like Radio 2 - but then I'm no longer in my 20s... :o

Quick question - how would you guys compare the BMW 630d/635d with the new E350 cdi coupe?....
 
I admit, I like Radio 2 - but then I'm no longer in my 20s... :o

Quick question - how would you guys compare the BMW 630d/635d with the new E350 cdi coupe?....

I'd have the MB. TBH I'd have the 330d/335d over the big 6 as well. A used CL might also be an option too.
 
I have never rated BMW personally, but trying to be neutral, I do think the BMW interior is starting to look very dated. Every one has a similar look that reminds me of the BMWs of the mid 90's.

It's the interiors that has always put me off.

However, I've driven a few 3 & 5 Series and everyone has been a beautiful drive.
 
Anyone going to the "VIP Invitation" weekend at MB Milton Keynes next weekend?
 

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