Best oil extractor?

[OneForTheRoad]

Does it have MB Approval?

Above and beyond.

 

[MrGreedy]

Response from Amazon marketplace seller. They didn't spot the order, but after I messaged they processed it and it was dispatched yesterday. Pela on it's way

This might be my best Christmas present!

 

[W1ghty]

Response from Amazon marketplace seller. They didn't spot the order, but after I messaged they processed it and it was dispatched yesterday. Pela on it's way

This might be my best Christmas present!

Sounds like someone else now won’t get their Pela .
Good job buddy .

 

[MrGreedy]

Pela 6000 arrived this afternoon. It was originally listed as 'used, like new', but I thought if it was used (with filthy black oil) how could it ever be returned to 'like new' condition. When it arrived, as suspected, it was brand new and unused. A bargain at £38 delivered.

It was a reasonably warm 2 degrees outside this evening, so what better time to crack on with an oil and filter change and new orange turbo inlet seal.

All went to plan. Well, all except the Pela being very, very slow to extract the oil. Over an hour in the end. Engine was showing a bit over 80 degrees when I started (although it didn't feel that hot under the bonnet), but due to the time it took to syphon the oil, I suspect the temperature had dropped a lot and the viscosity had increased quite a bit by the time I'd finished.

What wasn't in the instructions (or at least, in my hurry to get started I didn't see) but became quickly apparent was that the seals need greasing with a silicone grease otherwise vacuum loss happens very quickly as air passes the seals. I greased up as best I could outside in the dark and it was manageable in the end, but still losing vacuum too quickly. Since finishing for the evening, I've greased all seals on both sides, so hopefully next time it will hold the vacuum longer.

@W1ghty
Any tips for getting it to hold a vacuum for a long time?

Obligatory Pela action shot

 

[ToeKnee]

Maybe it was returned or sold on because it is damaged and doesn't hold a vacuum?

 

[MrGreedy]

Maybe it was returned or sold on because it is damaged and doesn't hold a vacuum?

Yeah, maybe.
These are pretty simple design and remind me of my homebrew 'beer spheres'.

When I've got more time, I'll check all the sealing surfaces for anything not smooth that could cause an issue. On the beer spheres, it was usually some slightly wayward plastic flash; overspill from the injection molding process. Some careful attention with some wet and dry sorted out typical beer sphere pressure retention issues, where the flash was interfering with the rubber seals or o-rings.

 

[OneForTheRoad]

Yeah, maybe.
These are pretty simple design and remind me of my homebrew 'beer spheres'.

When I've got more time, I'll check all the sealing surfaces for anything not smooth that could cause an issue. On the beer spheres, it was usually some slightly wayward plastic flash; overspill from the injection molding process. Some careful attention with some wet and dry sorted out typical beer sphere pressure retention issues, where the flash was interfering with the rubber seals or o-rings.

There's one black o ring on the top , I pump mine 20 TIMES every few minutes . I also plan the oil change and start it asap following a good run out ,when things are HOT .

 

[Mickyh7]

Pela 6000 arrived this afternoon. It was originally listed as 'used, like new', but I thought if it was used (with filthy black oil) how could it ever be returned to 'like new' condition. When it arrived, as suspected, it was brand new and unused. A bargain at £38 delivered.

It was a reasonably warm 2 degrees outside this evening, so what better time to crack on with an oil and filter change and new orange turbo inlet seal.

All went to plan. Well, all except the Pela being very, very slow to extract the oil. Over an hour in the end. Engine was showing a bit over 80 degrees when I started (although it didn't feel that hot under the bonnet), but due to the time it took to syphon the oil, I suspect the temperature had dropped a lot and the viscosity had increased quite a bit by the time I'd finished.

What wasn't in the instructions (or at least, in my hurry to get started I didn't see) but became quickly apparent was that the seals need greasing with a silicone grease otherwise vacuum loss happens very quickly as air passes the seals. I greased up as best I could outside in the dark and it was manageable in the end, but still losing vacuum too quickly. Since finishing for the evening, I've greased all seals on both sides, so hopefully next time it will hold the vacuum longer.

@W1ghty
Any tips for getting it to hold a vacuum for a long time?

Obligatory Pela action shot

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The oil takes a lot longer to get up to temperature than the water.
I always give the car a 30 minute run first.
This sounds like a viscosity problem, not a Pela problem, and that would also break a vacuum!
I had the same problems, as a novice back then!
I have both electric and Pela, same model as yours, the Pela is 15 years old and has been abused, but still works. I just got fed up with pumping.

 

[OneForTheRoad]

Try it using water , if it's still losing vacuum , assume there's an issue . If not it's down to schoolboy errors.

 

[Petrol Pete]

9 litre Sealey works well for me.

Me too , I was thinking of getting a Lidl pump everyone is talking about as a back up to maybe do some other jobs but when I hear it takes 30 minutes to move 7 litres of hot engine oil I probably won't bother.

 

[colinallcars]

Me too , I was thinking of getting a Lidl pump everyone is talking about as a back up to maybe do some other jobs but when I hear it takes 30 minutes to move 7 litres of hot engine oil I probably won't bother.

I’ve got an electric pump from eBay. Takes about ten minutes to empty the sump (6 litres). Goes straight into an empty container for disposal.

 

[OneForTheRoad]

Me too , I was thinking of getting a Lidl pump everyone is talking about as a back up to maybe do some other jobs but when I hear it takes 30 minutes to move 7 litres of hot engine oil I probably won't bother.

Don't believe all you read.

10 or 15 mins at most if hot.

 

[W1ghty]

Pela 6000 arrived this afternoon. It was originally listed as 'used, like new', but I thought if it was used (with filthy black oil) how could it ever be returned to 'like new' condition. When it arrived, as suspected, it was brand new and unused. A bargain at £38 delivered.

It was a reasonably warm 2 degrees outside this evening, so what better time to crack on with an oil and filter change and new orange turbo inlet seal.

All went to plan. Well, all except the Pela being very, very slow to extract the oil. Over an hour in the end. Engine was showing a bit over 80 degrees when I started (although it didn't feel that hot under the bonnet), but due to the time it took to syphon the oil, I suspect the temperature had dropped a lot and the viscosity had increased quite a bit by the time I'd finished.

What wasn't in the instructions (or at least, in my hurry to get started I didn't see) but became quickly apparent was that the seals need greasing with a silicone grease otherwise vacuum loss happens very quickly as air passes the seals. I greased up as best I could outside in the dark and it was manageable in the end, but still losing vacuum too quickly. Since finishing for the evening, I've greased all seals on both sides, so hopefully next time it will hold the vacuum longer.

@W1ghty
Any tips for getting it to hold a vacuum for a long time?

Obligatory Pela action shot

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As you found out , lube the seals .
I really make my oil very hot , after a run , I even leave the car running on the drive as I set the Pela up and just turn the engine off when I start pumping .
I make a cup of tea then and just re-pump every couple of minutes. I would have thought under 30 mins is more realistic.
I think with 8.5L of oil on a very cold day you are battling those low temps affecting the oil flow, at least after 20 mins ??
I only use the Pela on a sunny day , but that’s more for operator comfort , with a cuppa and a T shirt .

 

[Trickythemerc]

Would this method work with coffee and biscuits instead of tea

 

[OneForTheRoad]

Would this method work with coffee and biscuits instead of tea

I've done a few with Stella and at times Guinness.

 

[W1ghty]

Would this method work with coffee and biscuits instead of tea

That would require a whole new routine built from the ground up and overturning decades of habit , so it’s a hard NO buddy

 

[Trickythemerc]

I tried it with Stella, but got it the wrong way round. Sump full of Stella and drank the oil. The doc said don't worry just come back in seven days for an oil pressure check and be sure to warm up fully before using full throttle. The garage said could the lads keep the Stella for the weekend ? I said they could keep it for as long as they wanted.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Don't believe all you read.

10 or 15 mins at most if hot.

I'm surprised its so much faster than the claimed flow rate of 0.2L per minute...which would mean 40mins to get my 8lts out........normally stuff tends to fall short of the claimed performance I find. But that's great if it can do so much better. Instructions below...see flow rate and max running time about half way down in "Technical Specs".

ULTIMATE SPEED HG03271 Oil Pump 12 V Instruction Manual

ULTIMATE SPEED HG03271 Oil Pump 12 V Instruction Manual

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[OneForTheRoad]

I'm surprised its so much faster than the claimed flow rate of 0.2L per minute...which would mean 40mins to get my 8lts out........normally stuff tends to fall short of the claimed performance I find. But that's great if it can do so much better. Instructions below...see flow rate and max running time about half way down in "Technical Specs".

ULTIMATE SPEED HG03271 Oil Pump 12 V Instruction Manual

ULTIMATE SPEED HG03271 Oil Pump 12 V Instruction Manual

device.report

engine oil (60 °C) approx. 0.2 l/min. What's that at say 100 degrees then ? Because at 60 your oil will be like pumping broth tbh. Id already said that's just h&s gone nuts . I'm happy to use mine , it works , I don't need convincing.

 

[BlackC55]

Pela 6000 arrived this afternoon. It was originally listed as 'used, like new', but I thought if it was used (with filthy black oil) how could it ever be returned to 'like new' condition. When it arrived, as suspected, it was brand new and unused. A bargain at £38 delivered.

It was a reasonably warm 2 degrees outside this evening, so what better time to crack on with an oil and filter change and new orange turbo inlet seal.

All went to plan. Well, all except the Pela being very, very slow to extract the oil. Over an hour in the end. Engine was showing a bit over 80 degrees when I started (although it didn't feel that hot under the bonnet), but due to the time it took to syphon the oil, I suspect the temperature had dropped a lot and the viscosity had increased quite a bit by the time I'd finished.

What wasn't in the instructions (or at least, in my hurry to get started I didn't see) but became quickly apparent was that the seals need greasing with a silicone grease otherwise vacuum loss happens very quickly as air passes the seals. I greased up as best I could outside in the dark and it was manageable in the end, but still losing vacuum too quickly. Since finishing for the evening, I've greased all seals on both sides, so hopefully next time it will hold the vacuum longer.

@W1ghty
Any tips for getting it to hold a vacuum for a long time?

Obligatory Pela action shot

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The pipe resting on the wing! Sackable offence in my world.

The engine has to be very hot for it to work properly. Coolant maybe at 80 but the engine oil may still be cool. Take it for a 30 min run to warm it up properly otherwise it will take a very long time to vac the oil out and you will not be evacuating all of the oil either as it will be too thick. Also the oil filter must be completely undone as that holds about 300ML of oil.

I would probably do it again and if you want help with reducing the oil viscosity use an engine flush. A properly hot 642 engine's oil will be extracted in about 4-5 mins.

When filling, put a few litres into the filter hole. The 642 has a tendency to skip teeth on the timing chain after an oil change if the timing chain is worn and the oil filled tensioner is at max.