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fredfloggle
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Yep Colin , put a 6' high 11kV electric fence around it. That'll stop the little devils.
I'll assume you don't have children - as the only thing that stops children doing things like that is their parents.
prprandall51
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Duh, a statistic that states the faster you go the more likely you are to kill someone. Give me a break....
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If only it was so simple.......
prprandall51
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The subject of road safety and accidents is endlessly complex - I think we all agree on that.
Of course, there are issues with the behaviour of children and their road safety awareness. Accidents aren't just caused by motorists - even those exceeding the speed limit in a built-up area.
But this is something else. Some people here seem to think that they have the right to drive at excessive speed and run some kid down and then they will just say "it was an accident", "there was nothing I could do", "it wasn't my fault".
We don't live in a perfect world. Getting into the car is the start of a journey involving an endless series of risks and compromises. We accept those risks as part of our desire for mobility. However, it is within our power to mitigate those risks by driving with due care - even if that means having to adapt our style to accomodate the poor behaviour of ill-controlled children.
But to claim - as some here appear to be doing - that the enforcement of a 30mph limit in a built-up area is the act of some big-brother nanny state beggars belief, frankly.
Philip
Of course, there are issues with the behaviour of children and their road safety awareness. Accidents aren't just caused by motorists - even those exceeding the speed limit in a built-up area.
But this is something else. Some people here seem to think that they have the right to drive at excessive speed and run some kid down and then they will just say "it was an accident", "there was nothing I could do", "it wasn't my fault".
We don't live in a perfect world. Getting into the car is the start of a journey involving an endless series of risks and compromises. We accept those risks as part of our desire for mobility. However, it is within our power to mitigate those risks by driving with due care - even if that means having to adapt our style to accomodate the poor behaviour of ill-controlled children.
But to claim - as some here appear to be doing - that the enforcement of a 30mph limit in a built-up area is the act of some big-brother nanny state beggars belief, frankly.
Philip
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I think that people are brassed off that the 99% of the time legal motorist seems to get unfairly hammered when compared to the penalties issued against the people who make what is left of the UK not such a nice place to live in.
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In what way does doing 39mph in a 30mph zone make you a legal driver?
I guess I am just lucky. I live in a nice area and I don't see too much crime.
Yes, I want all those criminals and low-lifes locked up.
Yes, I think the British motorist is being shafted by the government as an easy target for taxation (including much of their so-called speeding fines).
Yes, I think that some speed enforcement is draconian.
But, what I see every day of the week is people driving around our little town like ****s endangering me, my family and everyone around. And for what? To get somewhere a few seconds earlier. And most of the time, they cannot even be bothered to drive fast and do it well. One hand on the wheel, smoking a fag, eating or drinking, texting or phoning...
What is it about criminals that we all don't like?
They are out for themselves only, they believe everything is out there for them and for them to take when they want to, they don't give a stuff about society or the consequences for others of their actions.
I can apply all of those attributes to many of the drivers on the road.
The only difference is that when the low lifes of which you speak enter a shop with pliers they think the the law is for other people to abide by and not them, whereas for some drivers it is the act of getting behind the wheel that elevates them above the law and consideration for others.
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Actually it seems that we pretty much agree on this - to be honest I am inclined to start accelerating a bit before I reach the derestriction sign , and yes I suppose the during those 50 yards I could cause an accident that may not have otherwise happen - I don't however concider that in quite the same league as someone going out equiped to shoplift yet the potential penalty is a great deal more - the phrase "malice aforethought" and "actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea" springs to mind.
We can't blame the inventor of the internal combustion engine for all motor accidents - the same as if I have an accident at 29 mph or 31 mph - is there a difference? -according to some here - yes. If only life were so simple -
We can't blame the inventor of the internal combustion engine for all motor accidents - the same as if I have an accident at 29 mph or 31 mph - is there a difference? -according to some here - yes. If only life were so simple -
garystu1965
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In what way does doing 39mph in a 30mph zone make you a legal driver?
I wish I was perfect like you. Unless you can categorically state that you have never broken the speed limit once in your entire life then you are an absolute hypocrite.
Come on lets have your answer then ?
ps I am not a dangerous driver. I lost concentration on a very quite main road at 10pm at night. There were no kids playing around. There weren't even any houses in that area just a bisuit factory and grass verges.
prprandall51
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Hang on. You've just PMed me about this and I have written back to you.... I can't cover both fronts
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I think we might all be guilty of speeding BUT..... If we get caught isn't it a bit thick skinned to complain? I am quite vocal about 'revenue' collection type camera's however if they caught me speeding then fair do's guilty as charged.
If we break the speed limit then we are making a decision to break the law, it is totally, totally wrong to say that any specific law doesn't apply to me. We make the decision, and should we cry foul if we get caught? If we did not realise we were speeding then we are either not paying attention, or not paying attention
. I'm no saint, I used to break the speed limit, but I was fully aware of the fact and if caught I would accept the consequences. (I'm now chaffuered so will never be caught again 
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John
If we break the speed limit then we are making a decision to break the law, it is totally, totally wrong to say that any specific law doesn't apply to me. We make the decision, and should we cry foul if we get caught? If we did not realise we were speeding then we are either not paying attention, or not paying attention
. I'm no saint, I used to break the speed limit, but I was fully aware of the fact and if caught I would accept the consequences. (I'm now chaffuered so will never be caught again )Regards
John
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You got it , don't bleat when they wander around in the road expecting motorists to take action at the last minute .
I'm not going to quote a case local to me, but suffice to say children have no place wandering around (in the case of my kids until the are about 30) alone and messing around on roads where people are coming home from work, tired and not expecting a kid to run out 20 mph or not . It's not a game but the only road safety education I see now is directed at the driver, never the children.
I live in Indonesia where driving is wild to say the least , guess what? kids don't go in the road because from an early age they know that the blackstuff between the curbs means death . That doesn't mean speeding is OK, but it does mean failing to keep the kids in check is not OK.
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I think we might all be guilty of speeding BUT..... If we get caught isn't it a bit thick skinned to complain? I am quite vocal about 'revenue' collection type camera's however if they caught me speeding then fair do's guilty as charged.
If we break the speed limit then we are making a decision to break the law, it is totally, totally wrong to say that any specific law doesn't apply to me. We make the decision, and should we cry foul if we get caught? If we did not realise we were speeding then we are either not paying attention, or not paying attention
Regards
John
I'm not complaining - (actually amongst the multitude of thing that I have done, speeding isn't something I go crazy over) Sure , a fast quiet road will see the floggle-mobil getting some mortgage, but otherwise in built up areas, with due care and attention.
I just don't like the 30.1mph hypocracy.
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I kind of agree, but if kids are going to walk to school, rather than get chauffered (as HMG are keen on) then you have to train your kids to use their sense and understand the risks. Then add the design bit - lower speed limits at schools when they are open, sensibly placed crossings and footpaths. Prevent the accident, rather than try and mitigate when it happens.
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You also forgot to add "and make sure that Charlie Chester the Child Molester" is firmly behind bars - I can't honestly consider allowing my kids to walk to school while I feel that they are at risk - and I live in what is considered "a nice area"
robert.saunders
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Yikes, I went to college with a chap called Charles Chester.... I hope he's innocent
I love the fact that parents who won't let their kids walk half a mile to school in broad daylight for fear they'll get abducted/murdered are quite happy to let them go around in the dark asking strangers for sweets when it's Halloween!!
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Not all of them do.
Children should stay in their cupboard until taken out for walkies.
I think perhaps the way we grew up has some bearing on this , despite living in a safe area I wasn't allowed to play in the street until I was 24 and I am afraid I don't like my kids outside on the street - Indonesia is very much safer in this respect.
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And we wonder why our kids lack social skills.
My son walks 2 miles every day to go to and from school. When they were too young to walk on their own - ie they could not safely cross the road, I walked to school to pick them up. Trick or treating was never done unaccompanied.
Sensible precautions are what's needed with children - not paranioa
My son walks 2 miles every day to go to and from school. When they were too young to walk on their own - ie they could not safely cross the road, I walked to school to pick them up. Trick or treating was never done unaccompanied.
Sensible precautions are what's needed with children - not paranioa
