C63 purchasing

[developer]

I have answered your question - they are not the same. If you wish to debate it further or understand why they are not the same and thus one say M0 on it look it up on the internet. You can also use Bing or Yahoo if you don't like google.

Why so aggressive Paul - we're all friends with a common interest on here, are we not?

 

[Peter DLM]

Im not arguing. You are.

I'm not arguing. You are I'm just explaining why I'm right

 

[redbaron]

Why so aggressive Paul - we're all friends with a common interest on here, are we not?

If you see it that way fair enough. I do not see any aggression.

 

[redbaron]

i'm not arguing. You are I'm just explaining why i'm right

 

[Peter DLM]

...and this particular brochure has been presented here before as 'evince' - the issue is that (a) it does not say what difference there might be other than repeating the usual marketing mantra, but more importantly (b) that it was printed by a local dealership in Kent so hardly definitive information from MB or from Michelin/Conti etc...

Very well. Can we put this to bed now please? Refer to the Continental link below.

Continental Tires -What does 205/55 R 16 91 V actually mean?

 

[developer]

If you see it that way fair enough. I do not see any aggression.

Perhaps therein lies the problem....?

Have a nice day, it's Christmas (well, nearly).

 

[d w124]

It wasnt the c63 owners that were caught red handed plotting on how to stir and disrupt now was it?

Best change your tone here as I think patience is running very thin at the moment.

It was not any of us sending rude and threatening pm`s to members If I remember correctly,what did you exactly do about that?

I tell you more about stirring,after my post here http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/new-member-introductions/137564-soon-fellow-merc-owner.html I was send a pm by someone saying I was trolling.Go figure

As for patience I don`t remember when you one it wasn`t running low

 

[Dieselman]

im not so skilled as to notice much difference in the grip levels between the contis and the michelins
but in terms of wear characteristics the rear tyres on a c63 have returned only 7000 miles on either conti 3s or 5s but the michelins are now approaching 10,000 miles (including two trackdays), they are on 19s
i believe others get even better mileage from michelins

I can't comment on Continentals, other than people say they are noisy, but comparing Michelins to Pirelli's is like night and day.
The Michelins offer more stable grip in poor conditions, run quieter and last a lot longer due to using more silica to keep the rubber cooler, so wear less...hence cost more.
Even if they didn't work out more cost effective, I think I would still use them...actually i do, all my cars have Michelins on.

 

[markjay]

Very well. Can we put this to bed now please? Refer to the Continental link below.

Continental Tires -What does 205/55 R 16 91 V actually mean?

I really do not wish to come across as condescending in any way... it is just that all this has been covered before. If you read carefully:

'Tire manufacturers mark models that have been manufactured according to the specifications of vehicle manufacturers with MO, N0 - N4, a star, the letter “J“ or RO 1. These tires differ slightly from tires without the additional code. MO tires, for example, are produced to Mercedes specifications, while Porsche-approved tires are labelled N0 – N 4. Tires approved by Jaguar are identifiable as such by a “J”. The tires that BMW fits on the cars at its factories are identified by a small star. The designation “R01” can be found on tires for Audi Quattro GmbH. Tires with such identifiers can, however, also be fitted on other vehicles.'

They do not actually say what 'produced to Mercedes specifications' might mean in practical terms, or that these specifications are actually different to their non-MO tyres.

Just to clarify, I am not taking sides on this issue because I do not know the correct answer - all I am trying to point-out is that I - and many others here - have searched in vain for a definitive answer - are the MO tyres the same as non-MO (while meeting MBs specifications) - or are they actually being produced differently in any way?

I did buy Conti MOs, but mainly because they cost the same as the non-MOs, which for me sort of made the issue of whether they are the same or not a theoretical one, but I am still intrigued.

 

[st13phil]

As discussed in previous tyre threads, it seems that factory fitted tyres do not carry the MO stamp.

I know that this is far from a complete check on all cars produced by MB, but all three that I've bought new since 2008 have had MO tyres fitted at the factory.

 

[Dieselman]

I know that this is far from a complete check on all cars produced by MB, but all three that I've bought new since 2008 have had MO tyres fitted at the factory.

I suspect that MO tyres are no different to others, but since Mercedes has stipulated the tyres must meet a set standard to be accredited, all the tyres sent to the car plant not only are made to that standard (which is probably exactly the same as the regular standard), but have MO on them for easy identification and reference.

The tyre fitters at the factory are probably instructed "No MO, No Go".

 

[acej]

I have factory fitted cont's with 6m left after 7200m + 1 track day. Previous cars have always had pilot sports. The conti's do rumble a bit but all good as far as I am concerned, although they seem to take longer to warm up than the pilots under heavy duress.

Speaking to a driver at Brooklands he indicated that the Yokohama's are the standard fit now.

 

[Dieselman]

Speaking to a driver at Brooklands he indicated that the Yokohama's are the standard fit now.

Could that be a case of Yoko Ono?

 

[st13phil]

I can't comment on Continentals, other than people say they are noisy, but comparing Michelins to Pirelli's is like night and day.

I completely agree wrt Michelin vs Pirelli.

Before I had company cars, I always used Michelin tyres for the reasons you mention: very even performance in all conditions and longevity. Then I had to suffer a variety of tyres on a number of company cars, including Pirelli P6000 ditch-finders and Dunlop SP01's that lasted < 14,000 miles on the front of a MkIV Golf GT TDI PD150.

Since going back to buying my own cars my W204 came from the factory shod with Michelin Primacy HP's which were excellent, and my wife's SLK350 came with Michelin PS2's which stick like the proverbial to a blanket. Unfortunately, my current W212 came fitted with P7 Cinturato's which are noisy, don't grip particularly well, and despite the wear being very even they're going to struggle to make more than 16-18k miles. When I replace them it will be with Michelins...

I have no recent experience of Conti summer tyres, but I currently have Conti TS830P winter tyres on the W212 which perform well and seem to be wearing reasonbly too. They're quieter than the Pirelli's as well.

 

[HB]

Again... no one knows.. I spent quite a few nights on here debating it on other threads (do a search), trust me there is no qualified answer.

Ok. Here is the difference according to a man from Conti who I spoke to at my friends tyre depot. Skidz in Falkirk. He says the MO tyre has no compound difference but differs in sizing and shape on the edges to avoid scrubbing issues with Mercedes wings.
With Porsche and the N rating, according to him this means "new". Porsche tyres are pulled from the first batch of rubber which is deemed to be the best and stickiest. Hence "N" for new.
Before I get totally annihilated for this let me remind you it came from Mr Continental.

 

[C240Sport97]

He says the MO tyre .. differs in sizing and shape on the edges to avoid scrubbing issues with Mercedes wings.

that's what the MB Kent leaflet said

 

[markjay]

My Conti MOs look identical to non-MO ones...

 

[mika]

I can't comment on Continentals, other than people say they are noisy, but comparing Michelins to Pirelli's is like night and day.
The Michelins offer more stable grip in poor conditions, run quieter and last a lot longer due to using more silica to keep the rubber cooler, so wear less...hence cost more.
Even if they didn't work out more cost effective, I think I would still use them...actually i do, all my cars have Michelins on.

I agree with you

now i need to understand the MO or non MO business or maybe i dont

and as a side issue the yoko ono comment is in my opinion comedy genius

happy christmas war may well be over

 

[moff]

think I'm at 10.4mpg over 840ish miles

hahaha that's quality, I so can't let the missus see this thread

 

[mika]

Hi Moff

dont let your missus know that you are going on a trackday either
you should be comfortably in single figures
my best /worst on a trackday is 6 mpg last week we managed 8 mpg