Classic Car Tax

[jon_viola]

Please could you sign this:

Make Road tax FREE for all classic vehicles over 25 years old - e-petitions

and pass it on !!!!

 

[Scott_F]

Please could you sign this:

Make Road tax FREE for all classic vehicles over 25 years old - e-petitions

and pass it on !!!!

Why should every 1987 Metro, Sierra and Astra get free road tax ?

The shortfall will have to be made up by the rest of us.

 

[BTB 500]

Yup, don't get this - sorry. Plenty will still be in regular use.

Better to abolish road tax completely and stick another 1p a litre (or whatever) on fuel. Then payment would based on usage ... so only cars that genuinely did low mileage would get the benefit. Of course you'd then have to find a way of checking MOT and insurance every year, but that's another story.

 

[clk208]

Why should every 1987 Metro, Sierra and Astra get free road tax ?

The shortfall will have to be made up by the rest of us.

I don't imagine there are swathes of sierras, metros and astras from the 80's that have dodged the scrap yard. Let's face it they weren't exactly built to last, mechanically or otherwise. In fact I was thinking the other day must be years since I've seen a sierra which were a very common sight in the 90's.

Proportionally far more Mercedes are likely to have survived and for this reason it gets my vote. Give the future classics from the 70s and 80s a break.

 

[martyz]

How many times have I seen this petition....signed it once obviously does not work,forget it!

 

[Scott_F]

I don't imagine there are swathes of sierras, metros and astras from the 80's that have dodged the scrap yard. Let's face it they weren't exactly built to last, mechanically or otherwise. In fact I was thinking the other day must be years since I've seen a sierra which were a very common sight in the 90's.

Proportionally far more Mercedes are likely to have survived and for this reason it gets my vote. Give the future classics from the 70s and 80s a break.

One man's "future classic" is another man's heap of old junk. All you're really saying is that you quite like 70's and 80's Mercs which given the nature of this forum isn't really a surprise.

There are 31m cars in the UK so several hundred thousand must be 1973 - 1987 models that would suddenly qualify for free road tax. Multiply that by say, £145 every year and you have a large hole in the public finances.

The current 1973 cut-off works just fine. I'd rather see Mr W123, Mr Micra and Mr Escort pay their road tax like everyone else.

 

[st4]

The current 1973 cut-off works just fine. I'd rather see Mr W123, Mr Micra and Mr Escort pay their road tax like everyone else.

And I'd like to see freeloading scum go to work and not watch tv all day. I'd like to see scum and pond life like that earn their money rather than avoid work and get money from people that go to work.

Doesn't mean I will though...

 

[Scott_F]

And I'd like to see freeloading scum go to work and not watch tv all day. I'd like to see scum and pond life like that earn their money rather than avoid work and get money from people that go to work.

Doesn't mean I will though...

Have you been drinking this afternoon ?

 

[st4]

Have you been drinking this afternoon ?

I don't even drink alcohol. Made a huge decision to give it up altogether.

That makes the answer to your question a no

 

[Scott_F]

I don't even drink alcohol. Made a huge decision to give it up altogether.

That makes the answer to your question a no

It's just that you seem to be having a few....erm..."hostility issues"......

 

[SL300-24]

well I have signed it......most people who have a 25 year old car play plenty already because the majority have modern cars as well. My 84 SL does minimal summer mileage (most are on 3000 mile insurance policies) so why should it cost me £260 pounds per year.

However I would rather it was all scapped and added to fuel so those those that use the roads more, pay more....simples

 

[jon_viola]

In my humble opinion- you don't ask, you don't get.

Simples

We may fail at this but raise awareness...

Lets face it most of "our" cars don't even qualify at the new later date yet!

Most other EU countries have a system that recognises in some way that classic cars are used very little in general, contribute a lot to the economy for little emissions and are also part of our heritage.

It takes 100,000 signatures to get this discussed in Parliament and therefore in theory at least everyone's view represented democratically. If every one here signed and passed it on to 2 or 3 other people you would have your views discussed fairly in the proper arena and an outcome that would suit the majority......

 

[st4]

It's just that you seem to be having a few....erm..."hostility issues"......

Nah I'm just on fire. Belted out some cracking posts over the last few days.

 

[markjay]

I think there should be a scheme in place where cars older than 25 years can get 'Classic' status exempting them from Road Tax (displaying a special tax disk to that effect), but on condition that they are not driven on public road during Mon-Fri 7-9am and 4-7pm. This will mean that anyone who wants to use an old car as a daily runner will still have to tax it, but if it is really done as a hobby then it will be FOC.

 

[SilverSaloon]

I think there should be a scheme in place where cars older than 25 years can get 'Classic' status exempting them from Road Tax (displaying a special tax disk to that effect), but on condition that they are not driven on public road during Mon-Fri 7-9am and 4-7pm. This will mean that anyone who wants to use an old car as a daily runner will still have to tax it, but if it is really done as a hobby then it will be FOC.

that wont work as just because its not a daily runner doesnt mean you wont be using it at 4pm, or might want to take it to work and back a couple of times during the summer.

even though my SL and Rover see less than 1000 miles a year, Your scheme would mean i couldnt take the SL to the SL rally down south and drive it back in 1 day as i would get home late, but i still hardly use the car.

Putting it on fuel would be the best idea, but as above this petition has been doing the rounds for years and it will never happen.

 

[SilverSaloon]

I don't even drink alcohol. Made a huge decision to give it up altogether.

ah but would you sell it (watered down) to the chavs? i'm only kidding

 

[219]

Why should every 1987 Metro, Sierra and Astra get free road tax ?

The shortfall will have to be made up by the rest of us.

Why not ?

What shortfall ? The alternative to having several tax exempt cars is not paying for tax , but keeping them on SORN .

 

[219]

I don't imagine there are swathes of sierras, metros and astras from the 80's that have dodged the scrap yard. Let's face it they weren't exactly built to last, mechanically or otherwise. In fact I was thinking the other day must be years since I've seen a sierra which were a very common sight in the 90's.

Proportionally far more Mercedes are likely to have survived and for this reason it gets my vote. Give the future classics from the 70s and 80s a break.

There certainly aren't swathes of the more plebian cars still running , but there are plenty of Mercedes which will qualify . As it happens , even the newest car in my collection qualifies .

The exemption was originally meant to be a rolling one , as with most other countries , until the government reneged . The whole idea was to encourage ownership of classic cars , which preserves an important part of our heritage and is 'greener' than needlessly scrapping perfectly good cars and the wanton waste of energy and raw materials associated with manufacture of new ones which are not needed .

I also resent the suggestion of restricting the use I may make of my cars - it is my choice when , where and how much I drive my cars - not that of the nanny state .

 

[jon_viola]

£4.3 BILLION FROM CLASSIC MOVEMENT by NICK LARKIN
The historic vehicle movement contributes an incredible £4.3 BILLION to the British economy every year, a survey reveals.

It supports more 28,000 jobs and 3800 businesses, 41% of which expect to take on more staff over the next five years, potentially 3000 people. Half the expected jobs are due to growth and many involve traditional skills., meaning 46% of traders expect to have problems recruiting. There are more than 850,000 pre-1981 classics in Britain but they contribute just 0.24% of the total mileage by all vehicles.

The amazing figures were revealed during a presentation at the House of Lords, attended by politicians, journalists and well-known figures from the world of classic vehicles. Many people feel theresults of the survey, commissioned by the Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs will have a radical effect on the way the classic movement isperceived in many circles.

Some more revelations £960m of the specialist trade turnover comes from outside the UK, 47% from Europe and 18 via the USA and Canada,

The total value of British historic vehicles is £7.4bn approximately, an average value of £8250 per vehicle. The average owner spends £2,900 a year a year on their hobby, NOT including purchased and restoration costs, £2.1bn is spent with the specialist trade, clubs and museums,

A further £910m goes into the general economy through everything from clothing to meals at events.The figures come from the third survey on the social and economic impact of the old vehicle movement commissioned by the Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs (FBVHC) . The results were presented on a report entitled The British Historic Vehicle Movement – a £4 Billion Hobby, unveiled during a presentation at the House of Lords last Tuesday (December

. Among those attending were Government Ministers, MPs, Sir David Steele and motoring writers/editors including Quentin Willson. Lord Montagu and House of Lords speaker Baroness D’Souza also addressed the meeting.

More than 11,000 people had responded to the survey, project director and FBVHC vice president Geoff Smith revealed. “We have great stability but we haven’t got stagnation,” he said. However, although the majority of businesses were positive about the future, there were reservation “There’s a big risk felt by two thirds of businesses that future regulations could cause damage.” The report states ‘ a strong message came from traders that the current regulatory burden discourages activity and risks hampering both the desire and ability to grow.’ Added Mr Smith “I stress this because there are people in this room who can influence that situation.” *The Federation of British Historic Clubs (FBVHC) represents 500 clubs, which are said to generate a £22m annual turnover between them. The Federation’s aim is ‘to uphold the freedom’ for people to own and run classic vehicles.

 

[st4]

ah but would you sell it (watered down) to the chavs? i'm only kidding

Frequently did when I was about 14 to 15 years old