COMAND Satnav POIs

[gmatj]

Forgive me if I return to my original question - how do I use the satnav facility in COMAND to navigate to, say, Stonehenge?

Or is the short answer that I can't?

Hi Duncan
I do insist - Keep a pda (or similar device) handy !!
Best Regards
George

 

[Diesel Benz]

Hi George, no probs

Yes the HFP cradle is limited to using the phone's aerial as you mentioned but does have much wider compatibility. It's really only the more recent Nokias that work with SAP reliably.

I think you answered your own question regrading WM6.1 it does have SAP but it's not compatible with MB's implementation. Neither is Blackberry's SAP implementation compatible with MB Ridiculous !!

BT SAP as such should be supported by pretty old Nokia models, I'm not sure which one would be the first but phones like 6280 and 6230 (no "i") have it. Perhaps you are referring to the phone book download support which I understand isn't SAP related, at least not that much. Older Nokia phones seem to download the SIM phonebook mainly.

I've never heard of any RIM implementation for BT SAP, I assume it is the same as with Windows Mobile, BT SAP support was mentioned somewhere but it actually did not exist in any form.

There is no doubt that BT HF works with more phones (specifically when all BT SAP phones also work with BT HF) but SAP appears to be coming to other models too. One owner reported Samsung but that was not verified. Siemens phones do it, although there are not many. Most of all, someone reported about a very recent development with Windows Mobile, an owner with a new phone claimed it was not supported (I don't remember the phone model and WM revision details).

 

[Diesel Benz]

Forgive me if I return to my original question - how do I use the satnav facility in COMAND to navigate to, say, Stonehenge?

Or is the short answer that I can't?

I believe it was fair to come back to this original question. I tried it at my car and since I'm too far from Stonehenge, I could not get it listed.

I can find global POI but that seems to be restricted to major addresses only, like airports or motorway junctions (as if it was likely I would be heading to a far away airport with my car).

I can search for local POI and there I can extend the search to addresses further away, but I cannot extend the range to cover the UK (from my place). I guess I would have to be within 100 km from Stonehenge to find it?

Perhaps I missed the option to extend the search of global POI, I would like to be able to find the map of the Stonehenge area from my car even if I had no intention to start driving there.

As you can see, I'm not very familiar with the MB POI database an how it should be best used since I hardly use it (I hardly need it). It always could work better for those who see the POI database more important than myself.

 

[amwebby]

I just found it by searching for POIs around another city. I searched around Salisbury for tourist destinations and then entered Salisbury again as a tourist destination and it came up with a list of tourist destinations surrounding Salisbury, including Stonehenge.

 

[whitenemesis]

BT SAP as such should be supported by pretty old Nokia models, I'm not sure which one would be the first but phones like 6280 and 6230 (no "i") have it. Perhaps you are referring to the phone book download support which I understand isn't SAP related, at least not that much. Older Nokia phones seem to download the SIM phonebook mainly.

I've never heard of any RIM implementation for BT SAP, I assume it is the same as with Windows Mobile, BT SAP support was mentioned somewhere but it actually did not exist in any form.

There is no doubt that BT HF works with more phones (specifically when all BT SAP phones also work with BT HF) but SAP appears to be coming to other models too. One owner reported Samsung but that was not verified. Siemens phones do it, although there are not many. Most of all, someone reported about a very recent development with Windows Mobile, an owner with a new phone claimed it was not supported (I don't remember the phone model and WM revision details).

A good source of reliable infomation is here

Also having read through the handbook for the RIM Blackberry Bold I know the latest Blackberrys do have SAP implimentation, just not compatible with MB

 

[Diesel Benz]

A good source of reliable infomation is here

Also having read through the handbook for the RIM Blackberry Bold I know the latest Blackberrys do have SAP implimentation, just not compatible with MB

The link does provide good info but not all. If you look at the Nokia web for the N616 car kit, you can find a lot more phones supporting SAP. The list at the link I believe is the MB understanding (plus a few Comand Online have tested), mainly the Nokia models they've tested and they've considered working with their SAP adapter. Even the Comand Online info has not been updated recently and cannot be updated daily.

The Nokia site has not been updated either. You can consider those phones and probably all later S40 and S60 models supporting SAP, I don't know about S30. None of the sources mention E90 which I'm using daily with my W221 setup.
http://europe.nokia.com/A4403254

I'll try to read more about the Blackberry SAP. If they are not compatible with the MB (Peiker) BT SAP, which one are they?

Edited, I did not find a user guide from the RIM web site, a link would be welcome or have they restricted that to owners only?

The product features (Blackberry Bold) for BT are listed as in the following:
Bluetooth

* Bluetooth® v2.0; mono/stereo headset, handsfree and Serial Port Profile supported.
* Bluetooth Stereo Audio (A2DP/AVCRP)

No BT SAP support mentioned.

 

[Duncan Beaumont]

Thank you all for those responses.

 

[whitenemesis]

The link does provide good info but not all. If you look at the Nokia web for the N616 car kit, you can find a lot more phones supporting SAP. The list at the link I believe is the MB understanding (plus a few Comand Online have tested), mainly the Nokia models they've tested and they've considered working with their SAP adapter. Even the Comand Online info has not been updated recently and cannot be updated daily.

The Nokia site has not been updated either. You can consider those phones and probably all later S40 and S60 models supporting SAP, I don't know about S30. None of the sources mention E90 which I'm using daily with my W221 setup.
http://europe.nokia.com/A4403254

I'll try to read more about the Blackberry SAP. If they are not compatible with the MB (Peiker) BT SAP, which one are they?

Edited, I did not find a user guide from the RIM web site, a link would be welcome or have they restricted that to owners only?

The product features (Blackberry Bold) for BT are listed as in the following:
Bluetooth

* Bluetooth® v2.0; mono/stereo headset, handsfree and Serial Port Profile supported.
* Bluetooth Stereo Audio (A2DP/AVCRP)

No BT SAP support mentioned.

Link to user handbook download.

and a quote from the handbook

"SIM Access
This profile allows you to use a Bluetooth enabled car kit to control the SIM card on your BlackBerry device so that you can make and
receive calls using the car kit. When you use this feature, data services (email, PIN and MMS messages, and browser service) are not
available on your device, and phone services are accessible only through the car kit. Before you can use this feature, you might need
to enter a 16-digit alphanumeric code, generated by the car kit, on your BlackBerry device."

 

[Diesel Benz]

Link to user handbook download.

and a quote from the handbook

"SIM Access
This profile allows you to use a Bluetooth enabled car kit to control the SIM card on your BlackBerry device so that you can make and
receive calls using the car kit. When you use this feature, data services (email, PIN and MMS messages, and browser service) are not
available on your device, and phone services are accessible only through the car kit. Before you can use this feature, you might need
to enter a 16-digit alphanumeric code, generated by the car kit, on your BlackBerry device."

That certainly reads like the phone would support SAP. Odd that this is contradictory to the web page info (one could assume the web page did not cover everything).

Assuming the manual is right, I'd like to know which SAP device does the phone talk to. There really should not be more than one SAP protocol, like there is one BT HF profile that all phones support. Things like phone book download issues are not from a different implementation of BT HF or BT SAP but other BT profiles (with BT SAP, one would get basic functionality without any other profile in addition to SAP, or was SAP actually working on top of BT serial interface protocol, I don't remember this).

Edited: I downloaded two version of the user manual and could not find anything like you quoted above. Did I look at a wrong manual or have they updated it and removed the text that you were able to find?

 

[whitenemesis]

Manual version 4.6 page 185.

I did find a web page listing compatible car kits, MB was conspicuous by it's absence! I wish I could find that page again... the Blackberry website is not the most intuitive to navigate!!

Car kit link

 

[Diesel Benz]

Manual version 4.6 page 185.

I did find a web page listing compatible car kits, MB was conspicuous by it's absence! I wish I could find that page again... the Blackberry website is not the most intuitive to navigate!!

Car kit link

I did find the car kit page too but there are a lot of RIM phone owners using the MB HF adapter, the lack of MB on that list would not mean it would not work at all (of course).

The owner's manual thing was really strange, now that you give me the page, I was able to find it, I was able to find it with the pdf search function too while I did not get it previously. Must have been my mistake.

I know some guys at RIM, I don't know at all how they are organised but I'll try to ask if they know anything about this (like which BT SAP devices they have tested the phone with).

Anyway this is good sign about BT SAP getting more popular than what it has been so far, even if it has been coming pretty slowly.

 

[whitenemesis]

Thanks Diesel Benz, that would be really interesting to get RIM's comment on the SAP implimentation