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Diesel Economy Experiment

May I suggest you read posts #99 and #100.

I had already read all posts. I'm just telling you all of MY experience over 11000 miles.

Using the same car computer, and judging by my recent fuel bills, my car IS using less fuel and it now has much better performance.

My conclusion is that it works! :)
 
The on board computer cannot be used with a tuning box. The on board computer is calculating the fuel consumption on what it thinks is being delivered to the engine.
The tuning box is increasing the pressure so therefore more fuel is going into the engine than the on board computer realises.
 
Sorry I'm being a bit lapse here in posting data, I will post the photos of our tuning box and the spreadsheet from our performance tests to date, been a bit preoccupied with the Ian Tomlinson thread and Mrs F has me decorating the lounge, coupled with that the company I am currently working for got taken over by the Germans last Thursday so to say it is hectic would be an understatement but please bear with me and I'll post soon, Thanks

Is there a link between the ian t. thread and the wife getting you doing the decorating? :)
 
Just read this thread. Thanks for doing the experiment and taking the time to share the results; very interesting.
Not sure there is a tuning box for my w124 diesel though :(
 
Is there a link between the ian t. thread and the wife getting you doing the decorating? :)


I think so, you think that thread is heated you want to join the debate in our house :D:D:D

And we generally share the same viewpoint but not on this one. :rolleyes:
 
I hope the leather shorts fit properly..could chafe otherwise..

Leather shorts have been ordered and I am going to Germany next week for the first fitting :D

Good news is to get to the new companies HQ I have to drive past the Nurburgring, can see some fun coming up this year, that is if they decide to keep me on. :confused:
 
Leather shorts have been ordered and I am going to Germany next week for the first fitting :D

Good news is to get to the new companies HQ I have to drive past the Nurburgring, can see some fun coming up this year, that is if they decide to keep me on. :confused:

Despite popular belief the Germans do have a sense of humour........turn up in the lederhosen and they'll keep you on! :)

Are you going to Visteon in Kerpen by any chance?
 
Leather shorts have been ordered and I am going to Germany next week for the first fitting :D

Good news is to get to the new companies HQ I have to drive past the Nurburgring, can see some fun coming up this year, that is if they decide to keep me on. :confused:

You will also need a towel with your name on it for when they introduce home working and hot desk sharing
 
Despite popular belief the Germans do have a sense of humour........turn up in the lederhosen and they'll keep you on! :)

Are you going to Visteon in Kerpen by any chance?

No, but very close to Mannheim :) I actually love Germany as a country and have never been treat anything other than brilliant by the Germans, think its the mutal passion for motorsport that does it.

Got to be a better future as the company before was owned by the Swiss. :rolleyes:
 
Thought you might like to read this brief review of the V50 1.6D DRIVEe in Autocar.

Hmm. An S80 with a 1.6 diesel engine? Not going to win many drag races in one of those, I think..

Cheers,

Gaz
 
Is this experiment still going ?

Yes we are running on the tuning box until the 12,000 mile service, so the car will have covered 6K stock and 6k on the tuning box, *** will then remap it and we'll do another 6k then draw some conclusions.

Will post more data as I get chance but work mental at the moment backwards and forwards to Germany every week
 
Just wondering if there are any updates on progress :confused:

Sorry yes I have loads of data to sort and then I'll post but, car has now returned to standard and going for its first service tomorrow then, Ill get *** to remap it and off we go again for 6000 miles of data.


Will post results for tests so far very shortly hopefully this week

regards
IAn
 
Sorry yes I have loads of data to sort and then I'll post but, car has now returned to standard and going for its first service tomorrow then, Ill get *** to remap it and off we go again for 6000 miles of data.


Will post results for tests so far very shortly hopefully this week

regards
IAn

Looking foward to it :thumb:
 
Sorry have to disagree having been involved in motorsport and testing for 30 years.

We are not talking about small changes in economy we are looking at 10% which is significant.

Temperature does play a part but can be compensated for in the overall calculations if you get the control runs correct.

My driving over this period will be very similar although not identical (obviously) but 2 months is a reasonable time to make a judgement on a device or change. I do the same 80 mile commute every day of the week and don't use the car at weekends (thats pretty consistant)

Supermarket fuels do not contain the same additive packages as premium brands such as Shell or BP, I used to worrk for the company that supplied them. Branded fuels will always be kinder to an engine. If you are in doubt of that take a look on Scoobynet. One guy thought he was clever saying there was no difference always ran it on supermarket fuel. Car failed at 23,000 miles theres photos on there with the head off you want to see the carbon and on a car that was driven hard on mainly motorway miles. I don't need no convincing supermarket fuels are designed to comply to the minimum BS rating and thats it, thats why they are cheap.

If you have a diesel try Millers Diesel Power Sport 4 and then come back and tell me it does not make a difference!

We are also using some very sophisticated technology with dyno testing and dynamic road testing to determine Power, Torque and MPG. These machines don't lie.

Sorry you dont think its possible but as an ex works and manufacturers test driver let me tell you it is, how do you think cars get developed and technology advances? :)

Been there seen it and done it.

Sorry but no it doesn't make a difference. Shell, BP, Exxon etc all meet the same EN590 spec (diesel) or EN 228 (gasoline) and there is such little latititude in the spec that all fuels are basically the same. In fact you will find that your branded fuel will frequently come from the same terminal with exactly the same components as the supermarket fuel - you are buying the same stuff (except for the superfuels which might have some different additives) the oil companies simply can't afford to make their fuel significantly superior - the giveaway would be ruinous and no oil company makes real money out of retail gasoline sales - the profit is in getting the stuff out of the ground. I'm not a test driver nor do I work for an oil company but am in the fuel testing business conducting a lot of testing on automotive fuels.
 
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Been there seen it and done it.

Sorry but no it doesn't make a difference. Shell, BP, Exxon etc all meet the same EN590 spec (diesel) or EN 228 (gasoline) and there is such little latititude in the spec that all fuels are basically the same. In fact you will find that your branded fuel will frequently come from the same terminal with exactly the same components as the supermarket fuel - you are buying the same stuff (except for the superfuels which might have some different additives) the oil companies simply can't afford to make their fuel significantly superior - the giveaway would be ruinous and no oil company makes real money out of retail gasoline sales - the profit is in getting the stuff out of the ground. I'm not a test driver nor do I work for an oil company but am in the fuel testing business conducting a lot of testing on automotive fuels.

As I said I work for the company that supplies the additive packages so I know Tesco spec is different to Shell spec etc premium brands have better detergent packages if you dont believe me pop over to scoobynet and take a look at the impreza head that only covered 23000 miles on Morrisons best before failure. I have exactly the same rally car my engine is frequently stripped and is clean as a whistle at 69000.

I appreciate they are all made to a spec but there are plenty of dyno tests on cars whose ecu can adapt to different quality fuels that clearly show some supermarket fuels are inferior in performance to branded fuels

My cars only run on Shell Diesel + Millers diesel power sport 4 or Shell V Power petrol never had a failure yet :thumb:
 
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