Driving Instructor query

[UnMarked]

Could anyone tell me please?

Would an Advanced Driving Instructor for one of the country's leading learner driving schools lose his job if he got 3 points for speeding (with a previously clean licence)?

 

[crockers]

One would need to read his contract of employment before commenting on this one ...

 

[jaymanek]

are you considering letting him off or do you have a guilty conscience?

 

[robert.saunders]

Would an Advanced Driving Instructor for one of the country's leading learner driving schools lose his job if he got 3 points for speeding (with a previously clean licence)?

Would an advanced police driving instructor lose his job for the same scenario?

 

[crockers]

Would an advanced police driving instructor lose his job for the same scenario?

No.. he would claim he was practising high speed pursuit techniques...

 

[UnMarked]

are you considering letting him off or do you have a guilty conscience?

What's a conscience Jay?

Would an advanced police driving instructor lose his job for the same scenario?

I wouldn't think so - not for a simple speeding offence

No.. he would claim he was practising high speed pursuit techniques...

Probably but (and I know this will raise a titter or two) but he/she would still have got the ticket in this instance.

One would need to read his contract of employment before commenting on this one ...

The 'Boss' reckons this too - I would find it harsh if he would lose his job.

 

[SL300-24]

No...he would need to inform the DSA (Driving Standards Agency) who regulate the industry that he has received 3 points. They would not take any action for 3 points. For 6 point would get at least a warning, above that he would lose his training licence.

His company would struggle to sack him while he still holds a valid licence, if the DSA revoked his training licence he then cannot do the job that he is employed to do so yes, he would be dismissed.

 

[glojo]

Tis cruel but a driving instructor should really try very hard to maintain a standard they want to teach others. They know the rules of the game and hopefully will accept the consequences of their actions?

What I find distasteful though are 'revenue collector' type camera's that are deliberately located tgo collect numbers, and then prosecute everyone with no margin of discretion.

My own thoughts are that on locations other than high risk areas, (and hopefully the mature among us will understand what I mean??) drivers should not be prosecuted for speeds lower than 40mph in a 30 limit and 50 in a 40? At high risk areas then it is rare to see camera's even rarer to see a traffic car, yet driving at 30mph is smetimes reckless. Hopefully this instructor was not caught outside a school or shops?

 

[UnMarked]

What I find distasteful though are 'revenue collector' type camera's that are deliberately located tgo collect numbers, and then prosecute everyone with no margin of discretion.

My own thoughts are that on locations other than high risk areas, (and hopefully the mature among us will understand what I mean??) drivers should not be prosecuted for speeds lower than 40mph in a 30 limit and 50 in a 40? At high risk areas then it is rare to see camera's even rarer to see a traffic car, yet driving at 30mph is smetimes reckless. Hopefully this instructor was not caught outside a school or shops?

I agree there should be different parameters between high risk areas and other, less hazard-prone routes. The figures you quote, John, are not dissimilar to the ones our department use by and large.

This instructor was checked over 1.2 miles at an average of over 81mph in heavy rain. Note the average speed - I finished the check on shell grip immediately prior to a bend when his speed was nearer 30. If his speed had been checked on Pro-Laser rather than VASCAR he would definitely be facing a ban and , probably, losing his job for sure.

 

[crockers]

I agree there should be different parameters between high risk areas and other, less hazard-prone routes. The figures you quote, John, are not dissimilar to the ones our department use by and large.

This instructor was checked over 1.2 miles at an average of over 81mph in heavy rain. Note the average speed - I finished the check on shell grip immediately prior to a bend when his speed was nearer 30. If his speed had been checked on Pro-Laser rather than VASCAR he would definitely be facing a ban and , probably, losing his job for sure.

WOW !!!!!! in a 30 mph zone...that is some average..

 

[glojo]

I agree there should be different parameters between high risk areas and other, less hazard-prone routes. The figures you quote, John, are not dissimilar to the ones our department use by and large.

This instructor was checked over 1.2 miles at an average of over 81mph in heavy rain. Note the average speed - I finished the check on shell grip immediately prior to a bend when his speed was nearer 30. If his speed had been checked on Pro-Laser rather than VASCAR he would definitely be facing a ban and , probably, losing his job for sure.

I note you have not actually mentioned any speed limits, but the conditions you are describing does not do this driver any favours and any sympathy is disappearing as I type!

 

[raymont]

My own thoughts are that on locations other than high risk areas, (and hopefully the mature among us will understand what I mean??) drivers should not be prosecuted for speeds lower than 40mph in a 30 limit and 50 in a 40? At high risk areas then it is rare to see camera's even rarer to see a traffic car, yet driving at 30mph is smetimes reckless. Hopefully this instructor was not caught outside a school or shops?

I find this approach unhelpful.. One reason speed limits are not taken seriously, and often help in contempt along with those who enforce them, is that they are inappropriate. If 30 actually means 40 depending on someone's interpretation of 'high risk' this can only add to this situation.

If limits were appropriate, then enforcement would cause less anger and people found guilty of speeding ( well some anyway) would be more likey to accept their wrongdoing.

Many people with speding points on their licence feel they have done nothing wrong. In many cases they are correct because of inappropriate limits.

 

[st4]

He is only human at the end of the day and mant driving instructors operate a "don't do as I do but do as I say". You wouldn't drive the way mine did on your test (unless you wanted failed for speeding)

However a crime was spotted, albiet IMO a minor one. Is there not the option of a "road safety" course that would excuse the 3 points but not the conviction. Remember the fella can take this to court and try to refute the evidence the CPS will bring.

Should one person's crime be treated more favourable than anothers. I don't need my car for work, so if I were caught you'd have me reported and prosecuted for the same offense. I don't see how thats fair but never mind. The conditions you mention give an image of one where you wou;dn't get a stern word in the ear and sent on your way, warned and flustered, but licence intact. In other words if the guy wasn't an instructor or job didn't depend on driving, like me, he'd have been given a ticket and probably prosecuted. Its not one law for one and one for another because a policeman thinks so.

I don't know the ins and outs of this, but should a police officer even be discussing his work on a public forum. If were this person who was allegedly speeding, I'd be miffed if I came accross my actions being discussed as such. I may even report it to the police to take action against this.

 

[glojo]

I find this approach unhelpful.. One reason speed limits are not taken seriously, and often help in contempt along with those who enforce them, is that they are inappropriate. If 30 actually means 40 depending on someone's interpretation of 'high risk' this can only add to this situation.

If limits were appropriate, then enforcement would cause less anger and people found guilty of speeding ( well some anyway) would be more likey to accept their wrongdoing.

Many people with speding points on their licence feel they have done nothing wrong. In many cases they are correct because of inappropriate limits.

We all have different opinions and clearly you and I will have to agree to disagree. Would you like to see a blanket nationwide black and white attitude of 31mph in a 30 limit means three points?

Would you advocate a black and white approach to all laws or just speeding?

John

 

[st4]

We all have different opinions and clearly you and I will have to agree to disagree. Would you like to see a blanket nationwide black and white attitude of 31mph in a 30 limit means three points?

Would you advocate a black and white approach to all laws or just speeding?

John

Agreed there, but the same approach for one person should be given to another.

Here this is not the case. I am not at all displeased that the OP wants to give discretion, but its the reasons for doing so, and thats because of the person behind the crime, not the triviality of the crime.

 

[recycled]

was this in a 30 zone? 81 mph average? either the guy is mad or the speed limit is rubbish.
Anyway we have a 3 lane carriage way here that runs for about 5miles, through bushes and canals and a game park reserve and the limit is 30mph.
Of course at the end there is the inevitable hairdryer pointer waiting behind a gate.

 

[glojo]

Agreed there, but the same approach for one person should be given to another.

Here this is not the case. I am not at all displeased that the OP wants to give discretion, but its the reasons for doing so, and thats because of the person behind the crime, not the triviality of the crime.

If I was a traffic officer then hand on heart time.........

I would be VERY loathe to get high and mighty with a para medic. If this person was travelling at 31mph in a 30mph zone me thinks it would not be a good idea to put on the jack boots and play at being 'Raymont' there is an old saying of what goes around, quite often comes around and I personally hold paramedics in the highest of regard and if I ever had the oppurtunity to cut someone some slack, then these professionals would be right at the top of the list (hard luck all you IT geeks )

Just my very own personal opinion and I already know what someone thinks about that (but then again I never was a traffic officer )

Regards
John the discretionary

 

[st4]

John the discretionary, Para medics will give their best no matter what the situation.

In this case I suspect a) a breach of confidentiality b) selective discrimination.

When I saw the title of the thread I thought someones kid was learning to drive and wanted advice re driving schools in an area. Instead I was appalled, offended and disgusted by the content that lied within. A policeman discussing someones offense (that hadn't yet been prosecuted) on a public forum, speculation by the OP and others the outcome of the conviction if successful, and what he/she thought they should do as the guys job depended on it.

I know the OP is only human, but c'mon it ain't fair on the person in question.

 

[recycled]

But is that not how most professionals work?
I mean how many in the same profession grass on each other? it may bite you back in the bum

 

[MBManInKen]

I know the OP is only human, but c'mon it ain't fair on the person in question.

What a load of tosh. There is no personal data in his post whatsoever, nothing to tie a given individual to an offence. I'd say he is as much entitled to post and discuss these generic questions as the rest of us. And no law preventing him from doing so either.