E280 CDI Sport (Celtic Tuning Map) Dissapointing RR result

[camerafodder]

I had an E320 cdi S211 remapped by Celtic some years ago (in 2008 I think). The results were very noticeable and I was very happy with the service although I never ran the car on a dyno.

 

[AMGeed]

So I think I have won my corner with no reply except that it is juvenile?

I have found in my life so far that people that accuse other's of being inadequate are usually guilty of being the same themselves otherwise it is not thought of!

As I said before it is a shame. ...........you cannot even have a sensible debate about it to help other's decide.:fail

You have won nothing. Yes our contributions on this thread have, in the main been juvenile. You have your car I have mine....who cares?

I am stepping out of this nonsense as you repeat yourself every single time. "My car is great, 55's are too expensive bla bla bla". I refute some of the crap you spouted about your diseasel being "up my chuff" and you make up statements as above that I am "accusing you of being inadequate". Where have I done that? That's my final word. Have a nice day.

 

[streethawk]

The ecu does need removing and opening apparently on a 280 unlike 320

 

[merc85]

0-60 this , 1/4 that my Bhp is so and so lol, Until peeps do a 1/4 mile, they wont know how quick there car is, Until they put it on the Roller's they wont know how much it is, lalala lol..

I've seen many peeps say yeah my car puts out so n so then they get a Rolling road done and are disappointed.

 

[Lit91]

The ecu does need removing and opening apparently on a 280 unlike 320

Someone was saying on here, that the 280 ecu can be remapped via obd, but to lower potential than the 320, to remap the 280 ecu to the same ability of the 320, it needs to be removed & chipped/remap.

Whether that is true or not, I wouldn't know...

Do you know what yours is running streethawk?

 

[Gareth]

I'll keep the thread updated with anything from Celtic if anything happens.

 

[merc85]

Herishi's ecu was mapped by taking the ecu out, But no chip was fitted. Also he is running the larger cooler from the e320.

 

[Lit91]

0-60 this , 1/4 that my Bhp is so and so lol, Until peeps do a 1/4 mile, they wont know how quick there car is, Until they put it on the Roller's they wont know how much it is, lalala lol..

I've seen many peeps say yeah my car puts out so n so then they get a Rolling road done and are disappointed.

I see international tuners testing the performance increase by timing the 0-60, 0-100 etc before and after.

To be honest, I'd be happy with a test like that if there is no means of a rolling road. Why don't they adapt that in the UK? (not on public roads of course)

 

[Lit91]

Herishi's ecu was mapped by taking the ecu out, But no chip was fitted. Also he is running the larger cooler from the e320.

Oh right, thought they had to solder something on all ECU's which needed to be removed, but I wouldn't know the logistics of how they get the map into the ECU.

 

[merc85]

Pretty sure i didnt see a soldering iron when i was standing next to him, But Herishi was closer tbh lol

 

[KeithJG]

0-60 this , 1/4 that my Bhp is so and so lol, Until peeps do a 1/4 mile, they wont know how quick there car is, Until they put it on the Roller's they wont know how much it is, lalala lol..

I've seen many peeps say yeah my car puts out so n so then they get a Rolling road done and are disappointed.

Not arguing at all Gav but you know as well as me from the Volvo forums that Dyno's are only as good as the operator and also that even the make of Dyno can give such varied results?

So all in all I would rather save my money and rely on my own figures.

An App has to count the seconds and GPS the distance that is covered, okay so then to some this is not accurate as one read it one way other to tother. ..........but one can also say the same about Dyno's. .......they read WHP and most want to know BHP so then they say arrr well for approximation add on 18% to get your figure.......but what the heck is 18% ?, it could be 17 or 19%.......depending on variable so Still no real accurate answer for your power just guess's.

I would rather look at others dyno results and compare their performance to mine and then I know I am not far out and then mine is as accurate as theirs maybe?

An E class is consistently half a second slower than a C class and for a supposedly given horsepower the performances figures given are enough to based mine on and so must be near correct. .......that is good enough for me without forking out money or proving it to someone that does not agree!

 

[KeithJG]

Oh right, thought they had to solder something on all ECU's which needed to be removed, but I wouldn't know the logistics of how they get the map into the ECU.

The ECU is removed to allow the eprom chip to be modified or replaced, this is the reason for removal otherwise to remap or alter the eprom chip can just be done through the connector plug by the hood pull.

It is only this chip which is modified as it deals with the performance side of things and not the basic idle /emissions etc. Which is why the MOT is not affected.

The eprom chip on the 320 CDi must be more advanced as std than the 280cdi hence the 280cdi chip having to have more surgery done on it?

If a mobile tuning company come to your door the ECU is only opened up in there own specialist van to do the work like being in a hospital isolation ward so it is absolutely clean. ...lol

 

[KeithJG]

I am glad that Celtic themselves have even put up a post on here. .....I am glad to say I support them whatever as the service i had was second to none and also the extra performance it was given was superb after the motor adapted to my driving.

I know I would rather spend my money with a very large well known global company for my mods that just a company with limited outlets and limited experience.

Even if the power figures were not spot on the motor drives superbly for over 18 months with equal economy and performance

 

[Lit91]

The ECU is removed to allow the eprom chip to be modified or replaced, this is the reason for removal otherwise to remap or alter the eprom chip can just be done through the connector plug by the hood pull.

It is only this chip which is modified as it deals with the performance side of things and not the basic idle /emissions etc. Which is why the MOT is not affected.

The eprom chip on the 320 CDi must be more advanced as std than the 280cdi hence the 280cdi chip having to have more surgery done on it?

If a mobile tuning company come to your door the ECU is only opened up in there own specialist van to do the work like being in a hospital isolation ward so it is absolutely clean. ...lol

I guess it's the only way to bypass the security of the ECU

I am glad that Celtic themselves have even put up a post on here. .....I am glad to say I support them whatever as the service i had was second to none and also the extra performance it was given was superb after the motor adapted to my driving.

I know I would rather spend my money with a very large well known global company for my mods that just a company with limited outlets and limited experience.

Even if the power figures were not spot on the motor drives superbly for over 18 months with equal economy and performance

Your results are seriously impressive, with 5.7 on 0-60 in comparison to the 7.3 standard car, I would be impressed. But it would still be nice to have a dyno confirmation for piece of mind.

Wonder on what the conclusion would be with the OP's map.

 

[streethawk]

Someone was saying on here, that the 280 ecu can be remapped via obd, but to lower potential than the 320, to remap the 280 ecu to the same ability of the 320, it needs to be removed & chipped/remap.

Whether that is true or not, I wouldn't know...

Do you know what yours is running streethawk?

Not been on the rollers but it had same map as one that went on the rollers at iirc 286ish bhp so hopefully around that figure. It's rather quick and pulls well. This was at msl. Only reason it didn't go on as I was running out of time that day as I'd been there all day and had atf done too.

 

[streethawk]

Not been on the rollers but it had same map as one that went on the rollers at iirc 286ish bhp so hopefully around that figure. It's rather quick and pulls well. This was at msl. Only reason it didn't go on as I was running out of time that day as I'd been there all day and had atf done too.

Found the post.

 

[Lit91]

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Found the post.

I remember this one, the stock figure didn't look too right there..

 

[streethawk]

I remember this one, the stock figure didn't look too right there..

Yes I thought that but who's to say mb's stock figure is actually 224 maybe higher than stated or dyno is out if that's possible. Even so it's 15bhp which still means 271ish which is still great

 

[Lit91]

Yes I thought that but who's to say mb's stock figure is actually 224 maybe higher than stated or dyno is out if that's possible. Even so it's 15bhp which still means 271ish which is still great

I'd be happy with 270, anything over is a bonus though

 

[Gareth]

Agree, stock figure doesn't look right at all. Still yet to hear anything further from Celtic.