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EV's and battery damage & other woes means I wont buy one

Vehicle to Vehicle charging is already being used by the Ford Lightning

Bidirectional charging is on everyone's agenda for local battery storage. Both for cheap off-peak usage and as a store of local solar energy.

My EV has V2L, though I've never used it. You can run 240V appliances while camping, according to the advert. Or you can charge other vehicles, or feed electricity to your house during a power cut (not sure how the wiring will work for that one, though). There is also a UK 240V 3-pin socket inside the car, so occupants at the rear can charge their laptops (or other devices) while the car is on the move. But, again, I've never used any of these features...

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Edit: the video in my next post explains that the house requires a "generator inlet" to be fitted.
 
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My EV has V2L, though I've never used it. You can run 240V appliances while camping, according to the advert. Or you can charge other vehicles, or feed electricity to your house during a power cut (not sure how the wiring will work for that one, though). There is also a UK 240V 3-pin socket inside the car, so occupants at the rear can charge their laptops (or other devices) while the car is on the move. But, again, I've never used any of these features...

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Edit: the video in my next post explains that the house requires a "generator inlet" to be fitted.
It can run a Nespresso machine??
Where do I sign up?
 
This is surely a bargain compared to a 5L plastic petrol can @£6, or even a metal 20L Jerry can at less than £20. 😁
You should see the diesel ones that BMW uses at Wentworth for the BMW PGA Golf.

BMW SUV EV's run from the car parks to the main entrance for those "not up to the walk." (It can be a mud bath)

So, obviously, BMW discreetly charge the EV's in a corner of the course so that they can keep them running all day and in all weathers.....

(To be fair, it's a nightmare trying to drive into and out of the Wentworth Estate, so there is "some" logic to it)


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Here we go - again.
Can't possibly be anything wrong with EVs and associated infrastructure, can only be something wrong with the people who have the wit to see a problem arising before its manifestation.
As for playing the 'envy' card. Lame.
lol why so touchy? Yes we get it, you don’t like EV, believe me that is nothing special and you are not alone, but please don’t lose your sense of humour, it’s just not worth it😉
 
TBH....not sure why I bother....the anti's are not going to change their views....why let facts get in the way. No posting on any that EV based from now on....yes I said it before....mean it this time!

Because it's not just about him ?

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I believe that the machine in the photo is actually Lavazza.
Could be: looks a bit like a Nespresso "Pixie" machine, but I suspect De Longhi/Krups/Philips make machines for all the brands.
The first time I saw a capsule coffee machine was on the vending trolley on an SBB train from Zurich to Chur.
That's the Swiss for you.
Back on topic now........
 
Could be: looks a bit like a Nespresso "Pixie" machine, but I suspect De Longhi/Krups/Philips make machines for all the brands.
The first time I saw a capsule coffee machine was on the vending trolley on an SBB train from Zurich to Chur.
That's the Swiss for you.
Back on topic now........

The first time I was introduced to café capsule was in Abidjan, Côte d'Ivoire, back in the nineties.... :D

As for the machine in the photo, yes you are correct it is Nespresso "Pixie". I got confused.
 
The first time I was introduced to café capsule was in Abidjan, Côte d'Ivoire, back in the nineties.... :D

As for the machine in the photo, yes you are correct it is Nespresso "Pixie". I got confused.
Well that's definitely more exotic than a Swiss train.👍
 
Lol....you need to do a bit more research....I bet you think hydrogen is a good idea too. Both use massive amounts of energy in the way of electricity to make that until we get to the point that we have more supplus renewable electricity than we know what to do with it will never be viable. Even then, you make it and then burn it in and ICE engine at about 30 percent efficiency (on top of all the losses involved in its manufacture) outs probably about 15 percent existent.

AFAIK all road going hydrogen-powered vehicles use fuel cells (40-60% efficient) and electric drive, not internal combustion. Toyota have been selling these in the UK since 2015, Hyundai since 2019. There have been hydrogen fuel cell buses in London for 20 years - they currently use 20 double-deckers.

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AFAIK all road going hydrogen-powered vehicles use fuel cells (40-60% efficient) and electric drive, not internal combustion. Toyota have been selling these in the UK since 2015, Hyundai since 2019. There have been hydrogen fuel cell buses in London for 20 years - they currently use 20 double-deckers.

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Good to see you agreeing with AlfaItalia’s point.

No sign of Hydrogen fuel cells being used successfully, bar a tiny, tiny number of guaranteed return to base applications.

Unlikely to reach passenger vehicles for several decades, even if BEVs didn’t exist.

Drove a Mirai a few years back. Impressive. Just not commercially viable.
 
AFAIK all road going hydrogen-powered vehicles use fuel cells (40-60% efficient) and electric drive, not internal combustion. ..


You are not wrong, though JCB's invention may have a future:


Personally, I think that in the long run, electric motor drive (BEV of Fuel Cell or any other technology) will win over combustion engine and transmission, due to the simpler design, increased reliability, and lower production and ongoing maintenance costs of the electric motor drive.
 
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No sign of Hydrogen fuel cells being used successfully, bar a tiny, tiny number of guaranteed return to base applications.

Unlikely to reach passenger vehicles for several decades, even if BEVs didn’t exist.

BMW would disagree ...

BMW knows BEVs have their place (it would help to think that way, given the brand is selling quite a few of them these days), but certain use cases suggest a hydrogen fuel cell car is the answer. If you’re a regular long-distance traveller, find it impossible with your current living conditions to have a home charger, live in cold climates or regularly tow heavy loads, BMW says a FCEV is a better option.

BMW also claims a FCEV needs 100kg less raw materials than a BEV does and 90 per cent less ‘critical raw materials’ are needed in a hydrogen fuel cell powertrain over a BEV battery.

The brand also points to studies and directives within Germany and the European Union that suggest that including FCEV cars in the powertrain mix will actually be cheaper overall than purely focusing on BEVs for passenger car use. Why? Because existing petrol stations can be modified to include H2 pumps and don’t require massive infrastructure upgrades like banks of new EV chargers would require.

‘You would basically have to upgrade the whole grid in order to actually supply all of that energy, and the whole system needs to be designed for peak loads. The whole system needs to be upgraded and that cost goes up the more cars there are to charge,’ says Guldner. ‘With hydrogen filling stations, it’s the opposite. In the beginning, it’s very expensive as you need a basic network of stations to get the whole thing going. But then the cost curve is pretty linear as each station costs the same, but we expect that the price of stations will go down with economies of scale.’

But isn’t a big flaw that lack of infrastructure, though?
Yes – just like it was with EVs 20 years ago. Despite the process of refilling a hydrogen fuel cell car taking about as long as a petrol or diesel combustion engine car, BMW says there are just 12 operational hydrogen filling stations in the UK. The country with the largest number of stations in Europe is Germany with 105, while China has more than 300.

The European Union has kicked off a directive as part of its climate neutrality goals to build a hydrogen filling station every 200km ‘and at every urban node’ by 2030. While the UK has its own climate neutrality goals, it’s not quite so clear how a hydrogen filling station will develop. Air Products – a company selling gases for use in industry – has a filling station at Hatton Cross in the UK (where we filled up the iX5, pictured above) and intends to build more in the UK. Ditto a company called Element 2.

But, just like the development of electric cars and their respective infrastructure, there’s still some way to go.

How does BMW plan on rolling this out, then?
BMW aims to do so in a very similar way to its electrification strategy. Guldner points out that BMW Group’s investigations into battery-electric cars started around 2007 with the Mini E and BMW ActiveE pilot schemes, with the brand’s first electric production car (the i3) being launched around seven years later. BMW’s EV rollout – which is happening right now with cars like the iX3, i4, iX and i7 – is, according to Guldner, testament to how polished the development process and a rough timeline guide for a range of fuel cell cars.

‘We’re at the pilot stage with this iX5, with a few dozen vehicles all around the world,’ says Guldner, ‘and this is a preparation for a possible market introduction or possible mass product later in this decade. We haven’t decided what model or the exact date yet, but we think the conditions will be right sometime within this decade. Which then would mean a possible rollout in the 30’s across more models.’


BEV isn't a viable option for most commercial vehicles, so companies are looking at hydrogen fuel cell versions instead. That would kick-start a network of hydrogen filling points, which could also be used by cars, e.g:


Renault already offers some electric commercials with a hydrogen fuel cell 'range extender', and is looking at extending this to private cars:

 
You are not wrong, though JCB's invention may have a future:


Personally, I think that in the long run, electric motor drive (BEV of Fuel Cell or any other technology) will win over combustion engine and transmission, due to the simpler design, increased reliability, and lower production and ongoing maintenance costs of the electric motor drive.

Yes it will be interesting to see how that pans out. Having a decent network of hydrogen filling points would open up a lot of opportunities.
 
BMW would disagree ...




BEV isn't a viable option for most commercial vehicles, so companies are looking at hydrogen fuel cell versions instead. That would kick-start a network of hydrogen filling points, which could also be used by cars, e.g:


Renault already offers some electric commercials with a hydrogen fuel cell 'range extender', and is looking at extending this to private cars:


You're always good for a chuckle. As I said, "No sign of Hydrogen fuel cells being used successfully, bar a tiny, tiny number of guaranteed return to base applications. Unlikely to reach passenger vehicles for several decades, even if BEVs didn’t exist."

Think of the idjits on here who shudder at using commercial chargers for a BEV. Now ask yourself seriously whether they'd want to go to a Hydrogen fuel cell station.

Shell opened ONE hydrogen fuel cell service station six years ago near me in Cobham. Huge commercial failure which was barely used and closed back in 2022, I think. That means there's roughly a dozen hydrogen pumps in the whole of the UK - most of them NOT geared for commercial sale.

Toyota did a lot of work with the Police to examine feasibility of them using the Mirai. From memory, the cost was around £70k back in 2015 (when cars were cheaper), with vehicles being fuelled at base station, of course. I drove one in 2016 - found it "interesting" but "heavy," at a price which seemed to be at least twice the price of an equivalent ICE.

The police tried then but said "thanks but no thanks." Similar trials were run around the rest of the world with the same results.

Obviously commercials are different because of the weight issue, but still no sign of it reaching passenger vehicles in volume.

Just to clarify - these fuel cell cars are all "Range extender:" The hydrogen is used to charge a battery, and the drive train is simple electric.


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BMW would disagree ...

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Assuming that you can overcome the public's reluctance to using EV's by "cheaply creating an EV powered by a Hydrogen fuel cell range extender, fuelled by a non-existent global network of hydrogen fuel service stations" is in the same league.

Start by looking at how unsuccessful and heavily criticised the range extender concept was when BMW pioneered the it at the end of the Noughties. And those were cars that COULD be plugged into mains electricity and then also be topped up at one of the UK's 8,000 petrol stations.

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