Formula 1 2020 (Will Contain Race Day Spoilers)

[Mactech]

Here is a reasonable explanation of likely events within Romain's big off on Sunday:

Vitor Cesar - carro de Romain Grosjean explode durante... | Facebook

What it doesn't show is his movement relative to the safety cell.

 

[glojo]

If George Russel or ER to his loyal subjects can finish in the top four in his first tryout with Mercedes then does it reinforce how dominant the top car is or as with EU is it more about the driver?

How strange that the second letters of words can form such interesting acronyms but I guess using proper names leaves us in no doubt who we are talking about. if we are leaving the EU does that mean that LL might get the boot?

 

[glojo]

Here is a reasonable explanation of likely events within Romain's big off on Sunday:

Vitor Cesar - carro de Romain Grosjean explode durante... | Facebook

What it doesn't show is his movement relative to the safety cell.

I still cannot get over how the front of that car did not at the very least deform or shatter. The construction of these cars is simply amazing and yet compare that to how flimsy our military vehicles are? Yup, for our entertainment we MUST protect our multi-millionaire celebrities, but who gives a flying fig about our underpaid military that are asked to put their lives on the line on possibly a daily basis. YES, I accept the standards of some military vehicles have improved but only on a penny-pinching budget.

I still feel the safety aspect of F1 has gone way over the top and when a car leaves the limits of the track, there should be consequences or why not simply let drivers cut out chicanes or make the tighter bends more open? In the last race, one day we had track limits, the next day after protests by the drivers, certain limits were removed???? As a child I hated cod-liver oil but the stuff was still dumped in ma petite boche. Drivers should be told track limits and then they should get on with doing what they are paid to do.

Cut out completely communication between car and pits and by communication, I mean both verbally and digitally which might stop any type of adjustment to ANY part of the car, I tend to refer to Senna quite a lot but I guess that is down to me reading books about this 'special' driver. After a race he could recount with a perfect memory bends, gears, revs, issues etc. Now engineers monitor telemetry live and can then issue instructions and if they cannot give the driver tips about an issue, then they use code. Nope, ban this communication completely.

 

[GeeJayW]

I still cannot get over how the front of that car did not at the very least deform or shatter. The construction of these cars is simply amazing and yet compare that to how flimsy our military vehicles are? Yup, for our entertainment we MUST protect our multi-millionaire celebrities, but who gives a flying fig about our underpaid military that are asked to put their lives on the line on possibly a daily basis. YES, I accept the standards of some military vehicles have improved but only on a penny-pinching budget.

I still feel the safety aspect of F1 has gone way over the top and when a car leaves the limits of the track, there should be consequences or why not simply let drivers cut out chicanes or make the tighter bends more open? In the last race, one day we had track limits, the next day after protests by the drivers, certain limits were removed???? As a child I hated cod-liver oil but the stuff was still dumped in ma petite boche. Drivers should be told track limits and then they should get on with doing what they are paid to do.

Cut out completely communication between car and pits and by communication, I mean both verbally and digitally which might stop any type of adjustment to ANY part of the car, I tend to refer to Senna quite a lot but I guess that is down to me reading books about this 'special' driver. After a race he could recount with a perfect memory bends, gears, revs, issues etc. Now engineers monitor telemetry live and can then issue instructions and if they cannot give the driver tips about an issue, then they use code. Nope, ban this communication completely.

The cars can never really be too safe. I don’t want to see drivers being killed because they make a mistake.

As for Senna’s amazing recall; Michael Schumacher was the same and could relay to the team exactly what the car was doing. I think Lewis and other top drivers (with some exceptions) tend to be similarly skilled in this regard.

The notion that digital communications between the car and ‘shore’ is something new is erroneous. Back in Senna’s era, there was sophisticated telemetry and for example, Honda could adjust the engine tuning during the race in real-time from Japan. Cars then also had ABS, traction control.,.

 

[Petrol Pete]

Here is a reasonable explanation of likely events within Romain's big off on Sunday:

Vitor Cesar - carro de Romain Grosjean explode durante... | Facebook

What it doesn't show is his movement relative to the safety cell.

I am pretty sure that barrier will be a solid one this weekend, or the same but with a sheet of conveyor covering a row or two of tyres.

 

[glojo]

The cars can never really be too safe. I don’t want to see drivers being killed because they make a mistake.

As for Senna’s amazing recall; Michael Schumacher was the same and could relay to the team exactly what the car was doing. I think Lewis and other top drivers (with some exceptions) tend to be similarly skilled in this regard.

The notion that digital communications between the car and ‘shore’ is something new is erroneous. Back in Senna’s era, there was sophisticated telemetry and for example, Honda could adjust the engine tuning during the race in real-time from Japan. Cars then also had ABS, traction control.,.

No one wants to see a driver killed, but racing is racing and yes there was telemetry back in the days of Senna but hey ho... There were penalties if a car went off the track and can we imagine drivers of yesteryear being told whilst racing, what gear they should be in, the brake bias adjustment, etc etc and YES, if they were that would have been wrong.

My suggestion regarding Hamilton is that he might be the best driver in F1 but he argues with his engineer, he tries to second guess that person. He strangely enough tolerates his engineer but there is no way I would compare his technical abilities to the likes of the truly greats of F1

Boy, I would really love to see Verstappen in that car, but hey ho, this might never going to happen and if it did, would Hamilton do a Schumacher?.

 

[glojo]

I am pretty sure that barrier will be a solid one this weekend, or the same but with a sheet of conveyor covering a row or two of tyres.

If that armco had been solid concrete that did not move, would Grosjean have survived? A mind boggling thought and for those of us that do not want to see deaths, thank goodness it was not solid concrete.

 

[GeeJayW]

No one wants to see a driver killed, but racing is racing and yes there was telemetry back in the days of Senna but hey ho... There were penalties if a car went off the track and can we imagine drivers of yesteryear being told whilst racing, what gear they should be in, the brake bias adjustment, etc etc and YES, if they were that would have been wrong.

My suggestion regarding Hamilton is that he might be the best driver in F1 but he argues with his engineer, he tries to second guess that person. He strangely enough tolerates his engineer but there is no way I would compare his technical abilities to the likes of the truly greats of F1

Boy, I would really love to see Verstappen in that car, but hey ho, this might never going to happen and if it did, would Hamilton do a Schumacher?.

We should perhaps agree to differ. Your assessment of Hamilton’s ability is very different to mine.

Arguing with his race engineer; we only get to hear the ‘interesting’ sound bites and sometimes for example in Turkey just a few weeks ago, Lewis made the right call to stay out on very worn (destroyed) wets. Clearly he has a very strong working relationship with Bonno et al, to think otherwise is frankly baffling. Nobody gets to achieve what Lewis has without being able to work with people.

He no doubt has some annoying traits, but as an F1 driver the guy deserves way more credit for his ability from those outside the sport than he gets. I’m not saying he’s the greatest, for me that’s Jim Clark, nevertheless Lewis‘ ability is right up there with the very best.

I do agree that there is far too much ‘coaching’ from the pitwall.

Verstappen might do very well in the Mercedes, on the other hand he might do no better than Bottas or Hamilton. We will probably never find out.

 

[glojo]

My opinion of Hamilton has been tainted when at McLaren, he flatly REFUSED to obey team orders. He argued with his engineer and when Ron Dennis tried reinforcing that order Hamilton told him to F*** Off!!! Staying out on those bald intermediates was a lucky guess and yes, he was right. Would he have been right to have changed them??? I confess I hate listening to drivers querying decisions made from the pit-wall. If the engineer stood by his guns, how long would that relationship last and Bonnington is no fool having worked with Schumacher.

 

[Stratman]

I'm not convinced about some of the radio 'arguments' Hamilton has. I would be surprised if many of these weren't for 'external consumption' only, to mislead others. Not just Hamilton either, although I tend to believe Vettel when he says his car is crap

 

[Petrol Pete]

If that armco had been solid concrete that did not move, would Grosjean have survived? A mind boggling thought and for those of us that do not want to see deaths, thank goodness it was not solid concrete.

A solid wall would have worked better, he felt 57G , he hit at an angle, he was trapped by the Armco that tore his car apart. As I have said on here before. The race went ahead with a solid wall in place (sanctioned by the FIA) let us see what is in its place on Friday. My bet is that (as I have said before) be solid or a tyre wall with conveyor belt, NOT splitty armco.

 

[Dryce]

My opinion of Hamilton has been tainted when at McLaren, he flatly REFUSED to obey team orders. He argued with his engineer and when Ron Dennis tried reinforcing that order Hamilton told him to F*** Off!!!

So basically a young driver with attitude gets tainted for life even though he has grown up quite a bit. He got the better of his highly thought of teammate in his first year.

I think he has developed quite a bit over his career and arguably is still improving. He had raw speed and confidence and attitude when he arrived. I think his understanding of how to get the best out of the car (particularly KERS/energy recovery) and tyres has evolved significantly in his last years at McLaren and at Mercedes.

 

[Stratman]

A solid wall would have worked better, he felt 57G , he hit at an angle, he was trapped by the Armco that tore his car apart. As I have said on here before. The race went ahead with a solid wall in place (sanctioned by the FIA) let us see what is in its place on Friday. My bet is that (as I have said before) be solid or a tyre wall with conveyor belt, NOT splitty armco.

Right on cue

The FIA has made a number of changes to barriers in Bahrain for this weekend's race, which is being held on a different, shorter layout of the Sakhir track.

Two layers of tyres, with a conveyor-belt binding, have been installed in front of the barrier Grosjean hit between Turns Three and Four.

In addition, a tyre barrier on the right-hand side of Turn Nine has been extended and increased in depth, while a kerb at Turns Eight and Nine has been removed to reduce the risk of a car becoming airborne.

 

[glojo]

So basically a young driver with attitude gets tainted for life even though he has grown up quite a bit. He got the better of his highly thought of teammate in his first year.

I think he has developed quite a bit over his career and arguably is still improving. He had raw speed and confidence and attitude when he arrived. I think his understanding of how to get the best out of the car (particularly KERS/energy recovery) and tyres has evolved significantly in his last years at McLaren and at Mercedes.

Certainly was NOT a child and would NOT have been treated like a child.

In any team sport if you treat a prima donna like a prima donna, let them talk to you how they want, and tell the leadership to F***k Off whenever the mood takes them, then you will have problems.

If one person can tell the boss to F***k Off then why would it be wrong if anyone else did the same thing? We are ALWAYS told there is no 'I' in team but once you make an exception, it is surely not a proper team not a proper team and who cares how good that prima donna is. The McLaren was the top car at that time and to me Ron Dennis should have stood Hamilton down for perhaps one race and hopefully that driver would have learnt a very important lesson.

I think Sir Alex Ferguson is just about the best example I can think of that puts a team above the individual and I am NO fan of Man Ure. The very instant David Beckham tried that prima donna tantrum type behaviour, then he was gone. Lee Sharpe an ex Torquay schoolboy went to Manchester United, quickly became a superstar but he told Sir Alex to f***k off and yup, no matter how brilliant Lee Sharpe was, he was shown the door.

You say he has matured and perhaps you are right but I STRONGLY objected to his disgusting stance over 'Black lives matter' an immature stance and plain offensive. Thanks to public pressure we are seeing less and less of that racist behaviour. ALL LIVES MATTER. You talk about his being a child and YES , Ron Dennis took that child under his wing and ensured he wanted for nothing and I am 100% POSITIVE that if Hamilton had been green, pink, purple or yellow, he would have been given the exact same oppurtunity.

At present I like to think he is the fastest driver in formula 1

 

[Deleted member 113659]

Certainly was NOT a child and would NOT have been treated like a child.

In any team sport if you treat a prima donna like a prima donna, let them talk to you how they want, and tell the leadership to F***k Off whenever the mood takes them, then you will have problems.

If one person can tell the boss to F***k Off then why would it be wrong if anyone else did the same thing? We are ALWAYS told there is no 'I' in team but once you make an exception, it is surely not a proper team not a proper team and who cares how good that prima donna is. The McLaren was the top car at that time and to me Ron Dennis should have stood Hamilton down for perhaps one race and hopefully that driver would have learnt a very important lesson.

I think Sir Alex Ferguson is just about the best example I can think of that puts a team above the individual and I am NO fan of Man Ure. The very instant David Beckham tried that prima donna tantrum type behaviour, then he was gone. Lee Sharpe an ex Torquay schoolboy went to Manchester United, quickly became a superstar but he told Sir Alex to f***k off and yup, no matter how brilliant Lee Sharpe was, he was shown the door.

You say he has matured and perhaps you are right but I STRONGLY objected to his disgusting stance over 'Black lives matter' an immature stance and plain offensive. Thanks to public pressure we are seeing less and less of that racist behaviour. ALL LIVES MATTER. You talk about his being a child and YES , Ron Dennis took that child under his wing and ensured he wanted for nothing and I am 100% POSITIVE that if Hamilton had been green, pink, purple or yellow, he would have been given the exact same oppurtunity.

At present I like to think he is the fastest driver in formula 1

Can you enlighten us all with evidence of Hamilton telling Dennis to f%#k off as I simply can not recall it. When was it? Where was it? If it was broadcast it’ll likely be easy found on the tube of you.

Neither did you reply to me querying you about Sky F1 broadcasting the Jules B accident.

 

[pmcgsmurf]

Can you enlighten us all with evidence of Hamilton telling Dennis to f%#k off as I simply can not recall it. When was it? Where was it? If it was broadcast it’ll likely be easy found on the tube of you.

Neither did you reply to me querying you about Sky F1 broadcasting the Jules B accident.

Hungary 2007 perhaps when he told him to go swivel?

 

[PhantomF4]

Sir Stirling Moss said he regretted Formula One changing from a sport where the success of the team was paramount into one which had both constructors and drivers championships. He felt the incentive for personal glory could sometimes override doing the right thing for the team.

 

[Deleted member 149005]

We are ALWAYS told there is no 'I' in team

but there is a "me"

 

[Deleted member 149005]

Certainly was NOT a child and would NOT have been treated like a child.

In any team sport if you treat a prima donna like a prima donna, let them talk to you how they want, and tell the leadership to F***k Off whenever the mood takes them, then you will have problems.

If one person can tell the boss to F***k Off then why would it be wrong if anyone else did the same thing? We are ALWAYS told there is no 'I' in team but once you make an exception, it is surely not a proper team not a proper team and who cares how good that prima donna is. The McLaren was the top car at that time and to me Ron Dennis should have stood Hamilton down for perhaps one race and hopefully that driver would have learnt a very important lesson.

I think Sir Alex Ferguson is just about the best example I can think of that puts a team above the individual and I am NO fan of Man Ure. The very instant David Beckham tried that prima donna tantrum type behaviour, then he was gone. Lee Sharpe an ex Torquay schoolboy went to Manchester United, quickly became a superstar but he told Sir Alex to f***k off and yup, no matter how brilliant Lee Sharpe was, he was shown the door.

You say he has matured and perhaps you are right but I STRONGLY objected to his disgusting stance over 'Black lives matter' an immature stance and plain offensive. Thanks to public pressure we are seeing less and less of that racist behaviour. ALL LIVES MATTER. You talk about his being a child and YES , Ron Dennis took that child under his wing and ensured he wanted for nothing and I am 100% POSITIVE that if Hamilton had been green, pink, purple or yellow, he would have been given the exact same oppurtunity.

At present I like to think he is the fastest driver in formula 1

you do know Ferguson regular swore at his team (the infamous "hair dryer" treatment) and threw objects, such as studded boots, at his players?

 

[Deleted member 149005]

disgusting stance over 'Black lives matter' an immature stance and plain offensive.

can you expand on that?

What is wrong with using his position to raise aware of an issue many might be blind to?

Do you decry Nelson Mandela for the same?