Formula 1 2020 (Will Contain Race Day Spoilers)

[Spider10]

Max says a lot of things

I agree with you there all im trying to say is that if all the cars were identical it would be a different story there all good drivers or they wouldn't be doing the job but that's never going to happen even with the money cap so we agree to disagree it shouldn't be about 1 driver and 1 car which is dominating at the moment there not all on a level playing field

 

[Deleted member 113659]

Max............................ He makes too many irrational manoeuvres.

He certainly used to, but he's matured greatly the last few seasons. However, he has a very short memory. His comments regarding CLC's lap 1 incident were laughable as that's the very thing he used to do on a regular basis.

 

[Deleted member 113659]

They are all professional racing drivers, stepping into a ' strange' car really shouldn't be an issue,

Totally disagree. All the teams build their car around their 2 drivers (or at least the no:1 driver). So getting into a new car regardless of how awesome it is takes some getting used to. As Darrell says, sportsman/women get used to their own personalised kit. Give Ronnie O Sullivan someone else's snooker cue and he'd take a while to master it. (although he definitely would)

 

[Deleted member 113659]

Im not trolling in my opinion he's not a great driver ,such as Schumacher, senna,clark etc Hamilton without the car ,is a good driver same as Max has said 90% of the grid could get a podium in that car

We all know that the only way of comparing how good a driver is is against his teammate. LH has embarrassed most of his over the years in all different conditions and on many occasions lapped them in the same car. Just a good driver?

 

[Deleted member 113659]

I agree with you there all im trying to say is that if all the cars were identical it would be a different story

If all the cars were identical then they'd be even less overtaking than there is now!

 

[Deleted member 150136]

I disagree.
A cue is one thing, snooker is the player not the tools, an F1 car is not the same.
Yes its not an ideal fit, I'm not saying it would be easy.

But any machine operator worth his salt can jump from machine to unknown machine and operate them like a brain surgeon after a few 'laps' of whatever they're doing, yes it might not be ideal but given the best machine(even if its not what they're used to) all they will work it to its maximum.

Some getting used to will equate to around 5-10 laps, ok if it was from formula Ford to F1 it would be different, F1 to F1 should not be an issue for the 20 best drivers in the world.

 

[AMV]

I do love F1 and this weekends switch up was great. Personally don't see why so many people hate on LH.

As its been suggested almost all of the drivers in todays line up if chosen could have performed half decent in the Mercedes car.

I think what i love the most is the way GR carries himself, especially after the the chance of getting his first podium.

I think GH is absolute class and i hope he gets a chance to move into a faster car in the near future.

 

[Deleted member 113659]

I disagree.
A cue is one thing, snooker is the player not the tools, an F1 car is not the same.
Yes its not an ideal fit, I'm not saying it would be easy.

But any machine operator worth his salt can jump from machine to unknown machine and operate them like a brain surgeon after a few 'laps' of whatever they're doing, yes it might not be ideal but given the best machine(even if its not what they're used to) all they will work it to its maximum.

Some getting used to will equate to around 5-10 laps, ok if it was from formula Ford to F1 it would be different, F1 to F1 should not be an issue for the 20 best drivers in the world.

@AMGeed said it perfectly: As for Russell, stepping into a strange car (that was too small), missing pole by 0.026sec and leading the race he should have won shows he is an excellent driver. I would challenge the likes of his teammate Latiffe to have been in that position.

I'm well aware of the differences between F1 & Snooker (1 is too fast, the other too slow (certainly was last night )) but I was using it as an example of how small the differences are across all sports.

 

[Deleted member 150136]

How has he?

What we need is latiffe to have a go in it, he might fit better and like the style of driving more?

And the rest of them.

All it proved was that the Mercedes is easily the quickest car and George is a good driver.

 

[Spider10]

If all the cars were identical then they'd be even less overtaking than there is now!

True which would be boring but so is the same winner week in week out

 

[Deleted member 37751]

Only dip into F1 now and again (my interest started to wane 20 year ago) but thought that young lad driving Hamilton’s car and nearly winning was hilarious; LH is obviously a legend of a driver - and will quite rightly go down as a great - but all that did yesterday was confirm that the car is a massive part of any success a driver has.

It’s like being a 100m sprinter in spikes and your opponents are running in pit boots...

 

[Darrell]

I’m out of this one now. It’s just going round in circles.

 

[glojo]

We all know that the only way of comparing how good a driver is is against his teammate. LH has embarrassed most of his over the years in all different conditions and on many occasions lapped them in the same car. Just a good driver?

I think Hamilton has always out-performed his team-mates but on occasion those team-mates have also beaten him but not regularly. I am guessing that no one on this forum knows what team orders there have been but we have witnessed the races for the number two driver being ruined to help or protect Hamilton.

This week-end on this forum I suggested that Russell might have been given free reign to get used to the car during the three practices and then for the main race I suggested that if it were a team sport, I would instruct Bottas to allow Russell to take the lead and then act as a 'rear gunner' to let Russell get away.

This observation was made I believe on the Saturday and don't forget the lap record was being broke by both Mercedes drivers and I believe held by Bottas until near the end.

SPX sums up quite well the Mercedes-Benz compared to 'the rest'

 

[Deleted member 113659]

I’m out of this one now. It’s just going round in circles.

You been opening the Christmas Crackers.

 

[Deleted member 113659]

I think Hamilton has always out-performed his team-mates but on occasion those team-mates have also beaten him but not regularly. I am guessing that no one on this forum knows what team orders there have been but we have witnessed the races for the number two driver being ruined to help or protect Hamilton.

This week-end on this forum I suggested that Russell might have been given free reign to get used to the car during the three practices and then for the main race I suggested that if it were a team sport, I would instruct Bottas to allow Russell to take the lead and then act as a 'rear gunner' to let Russell get away.

This observation was made I believe on the Saturday and don't forget the lap record was being broke by both Mercedes drivers and I believe held by Bottas until near the end.

SPX sums up quite well the Mercedes-Benz compared to 'the rest'

So you believe the dash to turn one was orchestrated by the team?

We all know that generally the best car is needed to collect both championships. But history shows that those teams attract the best drivers to drive their cars.

 

[Stratman]

I’m out of this one now. It’s just going round in circles.

Resists making F1 joke...

 

[Deleted member 113659]

Resists making F1 joke...

I think he was.

 

[GeeJayW]

How has he?

What we need is latiffe to have a go in it, he might fit better and like the style of driving more?

And the rest of them.

All it proved was that the Mercedes is easily the quickest car and George is a good driver.

The car didn’t get to be the best in isolation from Hamilton though. Part of the reason it’s so good surely includes his contribution? Toto, Nikki and James have said that Lewis’ contribution is a key element to the success of the project...

 

[Darrell]

Resists making F1 joke...

I was too lazy to post.

 

[Dryce]

Max says a lot of things

But he's probably right in that assessment. But not in a meaningful way.

What we see in top level sport such as the top of the Premier League or F1 is that often it's about the points you drop.

So if maybe 25% of the drivers are 'the best', 25% are 'the worst' and 50% are middle of the road then put two of the 50% in the Mercedes and put two of the best in the Red Bull - and I suspect that over a season that Mercedes would struggle to take the championship. Why? The two drivers from he 50% would make more mistakes, deal less well with setbacks, adapt less well in changing condiions. They would drop more points. Meanwhile the Red Bulls with the likes of Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton would be there snatching every point they could take - and at the same time actally applying more pressure to Mercedes.