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Formula 1 2020 (Will Contain Race Day Spoilers)

I had an electrical problem with my guitar a couple of years back and borrowed a friends, same model but it felt different, so getting into a strange car with the wrong size shoes is going to affect your performance. My brother and I had identical motorbikes but felt different.
 
So you believe the dash to turn one was orchestrated by the team?

We all know that generally the best car is needed to collect both championships. But history shows that those teams attract the best drivers to drive their cars.
Looks like you enjoy telling me what I think, please try not to. Let me repeat what I said.

Saturday morning before qualifying and without any type of hindsight

During the first three practice sessions when folks were being critical of Bottas, I suggested that Russell was possibly being 'eased' into the car and Bottas was doing the development. I was not suggesting this was fact, merely that it was a possibility.

I also suggested that if this was a team sport, and if as I suspected, the two Mercedes qualified first and second then it might be worth considering letting Russell take the lead and Bottas act as rear gunner. This latter suggestion was made without the aid of hindsight, said the day before the race and I think before qualifying it was simply me throwing my ideas into the pot.

I agree, the best teams do attract what we believe to be the best drivers, but those drivers are both expensive and sometimes prima donna's that make demands on teams, highest paid wages, status in the team and veto of any driver they might consider a threat. Would Mercedes even consider putting the number two Williams driver into their car for a racing week-end, of course not, but if he were available, would we put Verstappen into that car over Russerlll and yes, yes, yes I accept that is never going to be an option for at least a year or two.

This Mercedes has a huge, gi-normous advantage over its rivals and how can any of us claim beyond a reasonable doubt that the fastest driver is indeed Hamilton and yes... Until last week-end I was one of many thousands that claimed Hamilton was a cut above the rest and you have my permission to say that this was what I thought. Today however my thoughts have changed, this sport is now more about the car and less about the skills of the driver but I am guessing there are still those that believe differently.

Finally and to clarify what I did not say.

I did not say what would happen at the start of last weeks race, I simply said that if this was a team sport, it might be worth considering having Bottas sacrifice his pole position (something I expected him to get).

Most of us only use hindsight when discussing these races, I dared to make predictions but no way in this world could I have ever expected the fiasco we all witnessed and none of us here are privy to the real reason as to what really did go wrong and no I am most definitely not thinking and not suggesting there was any type of conspiracy theory, but what are the odds that folks will try to tell me what I am thinking. If anyone is interested though in what I am thinking right now..... I am thinking how nice my porridge is tasting. Who would have predicted I would say that? :)
 
^^ Consistent success in F1 has always been more about the car than the driver. Senna in the Cosworth powered McLaren in ‘93, was only able to really make his driving talent count at a soaking wet Donnington where the conditions took away the power advantages of the competition.

Sometimes, several teams produce cars with similar performance. Then we get to witness races where the result is less predictable, and for example we get a world champion that finished second most often and won only one race in a season. Years later, his son driving the best car in the field won a championship of his own with only his team mate to fight against for the title.

Given that you make porridge for yourself, it might not be too unreasonable to predict that you might enjoy the taste... 😜
 
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^^ Consistent success in F1 has always been more about the car than the driver. Senna in the Cosworth powered McLaren in ‘93, was only able to really make his driving talent count at a soaking wet Donnington where the conditions took away the power advantages of the competition.

Sometimes, several teams produce cars with similar performance. Then we get to witness races where the result is less predictable, and for example we get a world champion that finished second most often and won only one race in a season. Years later, his son driving the best car in the field won a championship of his own with only his team mate to fight against for the title.
Yup and could it be that these top drivers prove themselves in the lower formula where without a doubt Hamilton shone.
 
Looks like you enjoy telling me what I think, please try not to. Let me repeat what I said.

Saturday morning before qualifying and without any type of hindsight

During the first three practice sessions when folks were being critical of Bottas, I suggested that Russell was possibly being 'eased' into the car and Bottas was doing the development. I was not suggesting this was fact, merely that it was a possibility.

I also suggested that if this was a team sport, and if as I suspected, the two Mercedes qualified first and second then it might be worth considering letting Russell take the lead and Bottas act as rear gunner. This latter suggestion was made without the aid of hindsight, said the day before the race and I think before qualifying it was simply me throwing my ideas into the pot.

I agree, the best teams do attract what we believe to be the best drivers, but those drivers are both expensive and sometimes prima donna's that make demands on teams, highest paid wages, status in the team and veto of any driver they might consider a threat. Would Mercedes even consider putting the number two Williams driver into their car for a racing week-end, of course not, but if he were available, would we put Verstappen into that car over Russerlll and yes, yes, yes I accept that is never going to be an option for at least a year or two.

This Mercedes has a huge, gi-normous advantage over its rivals and how can any of us claim beyond a reasonable doubt that the fastest driver is indeed Hamilton and yes... Until last week-end I was one of many thousands that claimed Hamilton was a cut above the rest and you have my permission to say that this was what I thought. Today however my thoughts have changed, this sport is now more about the car and less about the skills of the driver but I am guessing there are still those that believe differently.

Finally and to clarify what I did not say.

I did not say what would happen at the start of last weeks race, I simply said that if this was a team sport, it might be worth considering having Bottas sacrifice his pole position (something I expected him to get).

Most of us only use hindsight when discussing these races, I dared to make predictions but no way in this world could I have ever expected the fiasco we all witnessed and none of us here are privy to the real reason as to what really did go wrong and no I am most definitely not thinking and not suggesting there was any type of conspiracy theory, but what are the odds that folks will try to tell me what I am thinking. If anyone is interested though in what I am thinking right now..... I am thinking how nice my porridge is tasting. Who would have predicted I would say that? :)
Can you explain in more detail? 😁
 
^^ Consistent success in F1 has always been more about the car than the driver. Senna in the Cosworth powered McLaren in ‘93, was only able to really make his driving talent count at a soaking wet Donnington where the conditions took away the power advantages of the competition.

Sometimes, several teams produce cars with similar performance. Then we get to witness races where the result is less predictable, and for example we get a world champion that finished second most often and won only one race in a season. Years later, his son driving the best car in the field won a championship of his own with only his team mate to fight against for the title.

Given that you make porridge for yourself, it might not be too unreasonable to predict that you might enjoy the taste... 😜
Your very reasonable point made me think.... Not an easy task and yes it has probably always been more about the car rather than the driver. Graham Hill was a really nice human being, a wicked sense of humour, a great team player and sportsman but was he the fastest driver? He was a World Champion.

James Hunt.... Schoolboy giggle and much envy. He only got to be World Champion following that horrendous accident of Nicki Lauda.

I try my hardest not to look at F1 through the rose-tinted glasses that some authors might be wearing but whilst there has been periods where one make of car was perhaps destined to carry its driver to the pinnacle of motorsport, there has also been seasons where I have been glued to the TV screen watching drivers from different teams slogging it out wheel to wheel and has that made for better racing?

Are we now in a position where money talks and smaller teams walk?

Hopefully future rules might change this, but money is king and money will always buy experts to circumnavigate rules.

Oh and what about a best race ever?

By all of us contributing, it might provoke us to enjoy looking at races being nominated

My nomination... Senna in his first season in a Toleman Grrrr So many to chose from :(
 
Great idea regarding favourite races. Another one would be favourite seasons and championship battles.

My most recent favourite season has to be 2012 with 7 different races winners in the first 7 races.
 
So you believe the dash to turn one was orchestrated by the team?
Looks like you enjoy telling me what I think, please try not to.
I wasn’t telling you what you think John. I was asking a question hence the ? at the end.
Can you explain in more detail? 😁
Given your very detailed post This was a (bad) joke. Sorry it was taken the wrong way.
I think you always like to tell me what I am thinking so please feel free to do your usual thing :)
You’re thinking you’re fed up with me? 🥴
 
I wasn’t telling you what you think John. I was asking a question hence the ? at the end.

Given your very detailed post This was a (bad) joke. Sorry it was taken the wrong way.

You’re thinking you’re fed up with me? 🥴
The problem with the written word is that it can easily be misconstrued hence we hopefully all very quickly apologise if we take something the wrong way. I get accused of shouting, when I am merely trying to emphasis something, hence my apology for something I never meant :)

You are a person with a great sense of humour and whose posts I enjoy reading hence my responses to them.

I guess we might both be a tad guilty of misunderstanding each other :) XX Big kiss and make up (but definitely NO tongues)
 
Best races...?

Lewis at Silverstone in the wet in whatever year it was, top level drive.

Senna v Mansell at Monaco, so wanted Nigel to find a way past Ayrton who managed to put his car in exactly the wrong place time and time again.

There must be others, but these are two that spring to mind.
 
Brazil 2012 for very obvious Mc-Reasons. 🥳

Many at Spa especially when Mikka overtook Schumi before the days of DRS. Can imagine Zonta being a bit ‘WTF!!!’
 
Im not trolling in my opinion he's not a great driver ,such as Schumacher, senna,clark etc Hamilton without the car ,is a good driver same as Max has said 90% of the grid could get a podium in that car

So Schumacher Ferrari wasn't the best car in its field?
And Senna's McLaren wasn't the best on its field (didn't they win 15 out of 16 races one year)

Senna was a bully boy who instigated the barge boy driving, a tactic adopted by Schumacher - in both cases, their appalling attitude and sportsman ship devalues their achievements.

Hamiliton can overtake and advance through the field - i dont recall much overtaking from Vettel....
 
So Schumacher Ferrari wasn't the best car in its field?
And Senna's McLaren wasn't the best on its field (didn't they win 15 out of 16 races one year)

Senna was a bully boy who instigated the barge boy driving, a tactic adopted by Schumacher - in both cases, their appalling attitude and sportsman ship devalues their achievements.

Hamiliton can overtake and advance through the field - i dont recall much overtaking from Vettel....
When Senna made Prost, Damon Hill et al look at best 'average' when he raced at Donnington, his McLaren was most definitely not the best car but never let the truth taint your angelic dreams.

Senna was indeed a fast driver and did not like to follow behind other drivers. To come second was the first placed loser!!

Name one top driver that is not a bully and I am not picking on Hamilton it's just that you think he is perfect but he certainly has previous just like any other top driver of 'letting his car drift' to block those that try to overtake him. Any top driver that says; 'after you' Might not be a top driver for very long.
 
When Senna made Prost, Damon Hill et al look at best 'average' when he raced at Donnington, his McLaren was most definitely not the best car but never let the truth taint your angelic dreams.

Senna was indeed a fast driver and did not like to follow behind other drivers. To come second was the first placed loser!!

Name one top driver that is not a bully and I am not picking on Hamilton it's just that you think he is perfect but he certainly has previous just like any other top driver of 'letting his car drift' to block those that try to overtake him. Any top driver that says; 'after you' Might not be a top driver for very long.

I'll make an exception to reply as you are are so far off piste it is funny :)

One race in exceptional conditions does not change the fact that for the majority of Senna's time at McLaren, it was the best car...care to explain how they won 15 out of 16 in 1988? Why would Senna have joined the team if it wasn't the best car????

I don't know any F1 drivers - i can only form a view based on how they behave on and off track. Schumacher's disqualification from the championship speaks for itself.

I am not a Hamilton fan boy and we can all see why you don't like him.
 
When Senna made Prost, Damon Hill et al look at best 'average' when he raced at Donnington, his McLaren was most definitely not the best car but never let the truth taint your angelic dreams.

Senna was indeed a fast driver and did not like to follow behind other drivers. To come second was the first placed loser!!

Name one top driver that is not a bully and I am not picking on Hamilton it's just that you think he is perfect but he certainly has previous just like any other top driver of 'letting his car drift' to block those that try to overtake him. Any top driver that says; 'after you' Might not be a top driver for very long.
Big difference between a car drifting wide to block and one being deliberately steered into an opponent.
 
Any else remember the God Senna crashing at Monaco whilst leading on his own by a country mile...

The rest of the finishers made him look decidedly average that day...
 
I think I read Senna offered to drive for Williams for nothing, a while before he eventually got the drive, because it was by far the best car at the time.

As has been mentioned a few times , the best cars attract the best drivers.
 
McLaren wasn't the best on its field (didn't they win 15 out of 16 races one year)
Great point. Many people slating the current F1 era for Merc dominance. But were ‘The good ole days’ really much different? Maybe blinkered vision.
 

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