Formula One 2018 - General Thread

[aybracers]

After Vettel's little error I was wondering when was the last time that a driver crashed out of the lead of a GP because of driver error rather than car problems - let's exclude Singapore 2017 as it all happened in the first 100 meters

 

[grober]

The replacement of gravel traps with runoff asphalt has reduced the sight of many a "beached" F1 car. Vettel's misfortune was to leave an older part of the Hockenheim which still has them. There are proponents for and against along with those advocating rumble strips/kerbing that are more than just a noisy deterrent. In some ways it would be refreshing to have race tracks that are exactly that tracks and not something that functions as merely "rough guidance " round a circuit. It would appear that it takes the street circuits where an "off " virtually guarantees a penalty for leaving the track by virtue of a damaged car to shake up the usual suspects driver procession during a race.
Why gravel traps aren't the easy answer to corner-cutting · RaceFans

 

[Petrol Pete]

After Vettel's little error I was wondering when was the last time that a driver crashed out of the lead of a GP because of driver error rather than car problems - let's exclude Singapore 2017 as it all happened in the first 100 meters

Not sure about that but Hamilton lost the chance of getting his first world championship by dropping himself in that silly little gravel trap on the way into the pits in China. A completely useless gravel trap that was not required on such a slow part of the track.

It's no longer there, not sure when they took it away.

 

[GeeJayW]

Not sure about that but Hamilton lost the chance of getting his first world championship by dropping himself in that silly little gravel trap on the way into the pits in China. A completely useless gravel trap that was not required on such a slow part of the track.

It's no longer there, not sure when they took it away.

Having been left out on tyres that were down to the canvas, no surprise he dropped it really. Poor from the team, but did they really want Lewis to put one over Alonso straight out of the box?

 

[Deleted member 113659]

Having been left out on tyres that were down to the canvas, no surprise he dropped it really. Poor from the team, but did they really want Lewis to put one over Alonso straight out of the box?

2007 holds bad memories for me.

2008 could have gone the same had it not been for pit stop error in Singapore on Massas car & rain just at the right time in Brazil.

 

[Deleted member 113659]

After Vettel's little error I was wondering when was the last time that a driver crashed out of the lead of a GP because of driver error rather than car problems - let's exclude Singapore 2017 as it all happened in the first 100 meters

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[bob6600]

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I remember this! Saw it a few weeks back on F1 Classic Races and enjoyed it

 

[Deleted member 113659]

I remember this! Saw it a few weeks back on F1 Classic Races and enjoyed it

Memories eh Bob.

 

[GeeJayW]

The purpose of the safety car isn't to maintain F1 car performance it's to protect track staff.

In past races in heavy rain there have been radio calls from drivers for the SC to slow down as they couldn't keep up with it on the soaking track.

The problem with F1 cars under safety car conditions is that they really lose brake and tyre temperatures and just drop right out of the grip window. Under the safety car on a cold wet track, an F1 car with no driver aids is simply doing its best to go straight to the scene of the accident.

 

[Stratman]

You know that, I know that. We're constantly being told F1 drivers are 'the best in the world' so let them show it. It's clearly possible not to fall off the track after a Safety Car since the vast majority of drivers manage it every time.

I reckon MB told them to keep station because there may have been damp patches on the track and he didn't want to lose a 1-2 which they certainly would have had they been racing as they hit one.

 

[GeeJayW]

You know that, I know that. We're constantly being told F1 drivers are 'the best in the world' so let them show it. It's clearly possible not to fall off the track after a Safety Car since the vast majority of drivers manage it every time.

I reckon MB told them to keep station because there may have been damp patches on the track and he didn't want to lose a 1-2 which they certainly would have had they been racing as they hit one.

Bit of brain fade for Vettel. He lost a little concentration and paid the penalty.

As for being the best drivers, some of them really are the best, some are just the best funded.

 

[Tensofbenz]

Excellent result for Lewis, what a race for him, true that Bottas may have overtaken him on the restart, but i'm not so sure he was quite there before he got the call anyway, a bit more track and Lewis would have settled into a wide car rhythm. Payback for Silverstone.

 

[bob6600]

Sergio Marchionne, Ferrari's former president, passes away aged 66

Edit: Just seen a separate thread on this

 

[grober]

Hungarian Grand Prix: Force India put into administration by High Court
One of their own drivers involved.
Perez behind legal proceedings to put Force India in administration - RaceFans
and another "wrinkle"
GP3 driver Mazepin's billionaire father linked to Force India F1 buy-in - RaceFans

BWT | Force India F1

 

[baxlin]

Isn’t Lance Stroll's father also rumoured to be in the frame to buy in, to get his son into a half decent car?

 

[brucemillar]

Worth remembering here folks:

No part of an F1 car is designed or utilised to enable “slow / road car” pace or running. I include the drivers in that.

It’s all a compromise, that relies on the drivers using their abilities and the radio to adapt to safe running behind the Safety Car.

The drivers use it as a mouth piece to get a direct line to Race Control and Charlie Whitting.




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[Nat]

While I admire her loyalty towards both drivers, I think she is deluded.

Hungarian GP: Lewis Hamilton would not improve our performance - Williams

 

[Stratman]

It would be an interesting exercise, perhaps after the last race of the season or during a test session.

 

[Deleted member 113659]

While I admire her loyalty towards both drivers, I think she is deluded.

Hungarian GP: Lewis Hamilton would not improve our performance - Williams

I agree with her to a degree. Look at Alonso the last few years, regarded by many as a good, all round top driver.

Lewis maybe would have exploited more from the Williams performance than the current drivers but would unlikely get them off the back end of the grid.

And then there’s the wages bill to take into account. Ooch!!!

 

[Deleted member 113659]

It would be an interesting exercise, perhaps after the last race of the season or during a test session.

Great idea: Last race. All the car keys mixed up in a bowl on the coffee table and let each the drivers pick one out.

Not sure where I got that idea from mind.