Look no taxes !! Will electric cars really be tax free?

[Aero]

As mentioned already, battery tech is changing fast. Toyota could be making the next step.
See..

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/toyota-solid-state-battery

There are many great ideas to potentially increase power density of batteries but getting them into a mass production state is a totally different game to creating in the lab.

 

[Stratman]

Exchangeable battery packs?

It would require a standardised enclosure and fittings, but car manufacturers already do that with fuel fillers, for example.

Drive in, old battery out, new one in, hand over money and undoubtedly some tax and off you go.

 

[GeeJayW]

Exchangeable battery packs?

It would require a standardised enclosure and fittings, but car manufacturers already do that with fuel fillers, for example.

Drive in, old battery out, new one in, hand over money and undoubtedly some tax and off you go.

Agreeing on the standard battery is the sticking point as that includes trying to fix a developing technology. Quite a thorny issue to be honest.

 

[jdrrco]

Hybrid cars are not included in the ban.

As usual, the headlines hide the truth. Most manufacturers accept that cars powered solely by petrol or diesel are already likely not be produced by 2040.

So not so much of a revolution as it at first appears.

 

[LTD]

Small batteries, large electrical motors and a V8 to supply the current ?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Stand down chap, petrol hybrids unaffected.

"Plan includes an end to the sale of all new conventional petrol and diesel cars and vans by 2040" So existing petrol powered hybrids are completely unaffected.

(Still don't know how we'll make up the £30 billion shortfall)

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/plan-for-roadside-no2-concentrations-published

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Stand down chap, petrol hybrids unaffected.

"Plan includes an end to the sale of all new conventional petrol and diesel cars and vans by 2040" So existing petrol powered hybrids are completely unaffected.

(Still don't know how we'll make up the £30 billion fuel duty and VAT shortfall)

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/plan-for-roadside-no2-concentrations-published

There's always a workaround: Ferrari with an electric assistance ( for speeds up to 10mph ) anyone?

 

[190]

So existing petrol powered hybrids are completely unaffected.

I've been shouting at the telly again.

When it was announced that the government are banning petrol and diesel cars by 2040 I shout in frustration "no they're not" as anyone with an ounce of common sense will realise that all electric isn't possible by then. I predict Hybrids will make up at least half of new cars.

Are journalists naive or stupid.

 

[tron]

The pollution caused by recycling my car will be out of all proportion to that of keeping it going.

Perhaps a smaller fuel tank and a battery with which to replace it then a 10KW motor/generator driving the diff in line with a shortened propshaft and a box of electronics, kicking the motor in as it passes the town turnpike geofence. DIY
retrofit hybridisation kit anybody?
Meanwhile, the thought for the day has to be that of David 404:
"There is a tendency for senior managers and politicians to become 'broad brush thinkers'. These people tend to be idiots that have no knowledge of the underlying technology or detail to think that because they 'think' it should be possible that it will be possible."

 

[GeeJayW]

Are journalists naive or stupid?

Neither. They are paid to make a story 'interesting'. The old adage 'never let the facts get in the way of a good story' was never more true than it is today.

 

[tylerdurden]

Issues I see are

1. Poor mechanics. Much less to go wrong with EV, fewer parts, cars will be modular and much easier/cheaper to replace/service.

2. Gov will need to plan how to extract 30billion from population. Domestic leccy prices will have to stay low. Will lose votes if they try and take 30bill from households. Therefore there will need to be massive increases in tolls/road tax or more likely linked to GPS for a per mile VED payment

3. Realising the gov and motor industry are in cahoots trying to fleece us of as much ££as possible

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Why "or?"

I've been shouting at the telly again.

When it was announced that the government are banning petrol and diesel cars by 2040 I shout in frustration "no they're not" as anyone with an ounce of common sense will realise that all electric isn't possible by then. I predict Hybrids will make up at least half of new cars.

Are journalists naive or stupid.

Why "Or?"

But I do believe that in 23 years, the majority of new cars can be electric.

Not least because the UK will be one of many major markets which will be insisting on the same.
France have already done it, and many others will soon follow.
We know the list: California (if only around the L.A. area) etc etc....

And they'll pressurise commercial vehicles into doing it, ahead of private vehicles.


"And why not....?"

 

[tron]

"2. Gov will need to plan how to extract 30billion from population. Domestic leccy prices will have to stay low. Will lose votes if they try and take 30bill from households. Therefore there will need to be massive increases in tolls/road tax or more likely linked to GPS for a per mile VED payment"

Which was the purpose of the Galileo Satellite network as I was told by one of it's technicians .

Still, look on the bright side. There will be no need to buy a car. They will be expensive public transport, rented by the car company and recycled every five years. You will be billed for your journey to a state approved destination by the DNA sniffer. Crime will be a thing of the past as will speeding tickets. You will get to your destination more slowly to save energy but your fourteen hour working day will begin in the car as it takes you to work.

I shall be living out in the woods, distilling methanol to fuel a 500cc single motorbike with a megaphone exhaust, too fast for the police to catch.
(Well, actually I'll be 99 by then so I shall be reading eighty year old copies of Motor Sport rejoicing that I was born into better times than the world shall ever know again.)

 

[tali]

....Have Volvo been hacking into Govt files ????

 

[Dryce]

I would refer the current politicians to the 1957 Defence White paper and suggest that they reflect on some of its consequences for UK defence and aviation.

The people behind it were not idiots. But they over-reached.

I don't think that today's politicians are quite as low in intelligence as we would like to believe - but I do think that some of these bright people are less worldly than they should be.

In 23 years vehicles will have changed. To declare a specific commitment or policy is a sign of our establishment over-reaching itself again. I thought the UK government's anouncement was naive.

I think less of them for it.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

In their defence, they haven't implemented it yet

In their defence, they haven't actually implemented yet. As Messrs Corbyn and Gove know full well, a grandstanding / showboating position (call it Brexit, "No Trident," "The end of Tuition fees and the return of living allowances," or "All electric (and hybrid) cars to reduce city centre pollution" is not the same as implementing a law.

it's one thing to champion change, it's another thing to implement it.


https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/may/02/jeremy-corbyn-end-student-tuition-fees

EU Referendum Results - BBC News

 

[Benzowner]

What will they do about motorcycles? Some are 2300cc(Triumph )

 

[grober]

2020 LMP1 Hybrid regulations announced - FIA World Endurance Champions

 

[grober]

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Unlike the forthcoming all electric MINI I think the Countryman Hybrid is build in the Netherlands.

 

[optimusprime]

Now how can the gov get to fill the tresure chest with no tax ,
They will wait till your all on the band waggon, and purchased a torchy torchy the battery boy cars , and bummp a good lump of tax on them .Who else do they have to pay for the plug in system to be fitted nation wide . Also every lorry that moves items around the country will need to up date . Update to what, i dont know. .After a tonne in weight they are useless. And if there is alternative transport that owners of fleet cars and vans will have to use .Then they to will have to pass it on in their prices .