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Mercedes W114 250 Coupe - help!

Those occurred to me on the way home...

I think the original brake pedal is the same for both, a larger one might be an acceptable mod!
 
Interesting thread on an M104 for an M114 swap on this site from Oz--- not suggesting this of course but has one or two interesting comments on suspension and brakes.
OZBENZ - Australian & New Zealand Mercedes-Benz Forums ? View topic - M104 E320 in a W114 Coupe project. Misc...

brakes
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engine comparison side by side
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the fivespeed you had in the 280E was probably a fivespeed with an overdrive, fourth 1.1 and the fifth 0.8, it shouldnt have had that spongy feel thou, unless it was fitted later on.

afaik the fivespeed in the w115/w114 and early w123 had a iron house, and a aluminum bell housing, and

unless the first gear was downwards, and second up
it should be an overdrive, the 1:1 fith could be found in vans/trucks and was a close ratio box (or more like a superlow first)

711.113 is 1:1 in 4 and 0.8 in 5th
711.110 is 1:1 in 5th

later on in the w123 the aluminium 717.400 came fitted to the om617 and 280E engines, those had more of a spongy feel, and a underdimensioned bearing at the front, and thus not as great longevity as the earlier 711.113

and then there is the third fivespeed 117.261, wich also should be overdrive fifth as far as i know.

searching and paying for a fivespeed thats a straight fit is utterly expensive, you are better of welding another bellhouse to a w124 fivespeed, if you stumble upon a car, and the seller doesnt know what he has, it might be a good idea to take it :)

The box was original to the car and listed on the data card as well as being described in the owners handbook as a close ratio box , but I don't think it was . It wasn't a dogleg first : 1-4 followed the normal H pattern , with 5th forward to the right from 4th and reverse opposite 5th and strong spring bias towards the 3-4 plane .

The 5 speed manual 280E was a limited edition run out version as the W114 gave way to the W123 ; I'm not sure how many were made but I heard 400 mentioned by Western Mercedes service department , the car was originally supplied by Callanders Glasgow and I was the second owner . I only ever saw one other , for sale in Edinburgh .

I just had a root around for the documentation to that car , couldn't find the handbook but did turn up the service book with the data cards : chassis no 114062 20 106545
Engine no 110981 20 010097
Gearbox no only given as 010810

Unfortunately , I don't think the online VIN decoders go back that far , so it would need a dealer to look up the gearbox no and confirm exactly what it was .

I will have the handbook and the rest of the glovebox pack somewhere , so will post back when I find them .
 
Is there a diagram anywhere of the external linkages (and how they fit to the selector) that is to hand - inadvertently the seller and I missed one (which we've found) but I still can't figure out how it all links together.
 
Interesting thread on an M104 for an M114 swap on this site from Oz--- .
OZBENZ - Australian & New Zealand Mercedes-Benz Forums ? View topic - M104 E320 in a W114 Coupe project. Misc...


engine comparison side by side
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Good find that Graeme and illustrates what I was saying earlier about the 100 series sumps. It doesn't go on to say how he got the 104 to fit the 114 chassis. I'm sure I've had contact with him (hismajesty) somewhere in the recent past concerning my own conversion but I cant remember where.

Doh :doh:...he's a member on here. found his thread: http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/engine/177886-m104-e320-engine-w114-coupe-pictures.html


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The head on version of that photo shows the difference in width too - it is just an immense extra lump at the front, I'm glad I'm not going that route.
 
Oh yes, just spotted I'm missing the chrome trim (29) that sits around the selector.

Also missing 30, 53 & 54, whatever they are.
 
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I have joined the UK MB club to enter the vehicle in pink to the concours, but as a side benefit get access to the EPC. I'm waiting for my membership number and passcode though, in the meantime as the parts are definitely like the one I have Graeme, are there any other diagrams of the box etc from the same source Graham - all I can find is the Niemoller parts for the Pagoda which has linkages by the ton but the gear lever assembly bears no relationship to the parts I've got. Unhelpfully Niemoller only show the manual box on the W114.
 
That diagram from the MB EPC is a bit misleading Items 53,54 refer to part of the steering column jacket- why that should be included I haven't the foggiest :confused: except that maybe its fitted when the car has a floor change rather than a column change so it's included for completeness? In other words you will have them already :thumb: Part 30 I would guess is a rubber grommet? will check
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part 30 = Boot PART NO A1152670597
 
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Thanks - you go above and beyond Graeme!

I have now worked out how the gear selector connects to the changing mechanism, took longer than it should because of my love of symmetry, as both are the same shape, so I tried to fit them together that way, when one should have been at right angles to the other (I was wondering why the gear selector only generated sideways movement).

What I do lack is 41 or equivalent in the first diagram, which I think connects to something similar to 155 in the third.

Getting there!
 
This is better FOR THE GEARBOX with part nos and descriptions.

select gearbox you want e.g. K4C 025/722200/MERCEDES BENZ AUTOTRANSMISSION/automatic transmission hypertext links

Note:- lots of parts NLA
Google Translate
 
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Nice picture of how the autobox up to 72?? works.

That appears to a the fluid coupling box (no stator between impellor and turbine) and in the other article you linked is referred to as 'convertor'. Talk of 'torque convertor' doesn't feature until boxes from the 1990s are mentioned.
I'm guessing, but it seems MB stuck with FC to nearly the end of the previous century.
 
Thanks - you go above and beyond Graeme!

I have now worked out how the gear selector connects to the changing mechanism, took longer than it should because of my love of symmetry, as both are the same shape, so I tried to fit them together that way, when one should have been at right angles to the other (I was wondering why the gear selector only generated sideways movement).

What I do lack is 41 or equivalent in the first diagram, which I think connects to something similar to 155 in the third.

Getting there!

41 would form part of the selector mechanism and would attach to a lever on the side of the box. From what I can see it will act a bit like a track rod end where you can lengthen or shorten the rod by screwing it in or out.
Its known as the" shifting rod " PART NO--- A1142602333
A1162603533 may be an alternative??
looks like this might be one you might have to fabricate?
SHIFTING ROD made by Mercedes Benz. #1142602333
 
He has the part Graeme, but forgot it yesterday - needless to say a piccy speaks a thousand words - here it is on an ebay box for sale

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Also a rear seat for re-covering/spraying, chrome sill trims, 250CE and Automatic badges, side mirrors (L&R), window winder trims, side quarter-light, front bumper rubber, washer bottle, cuddly toy and teas made.

And the propeller shaft? Or even the front 1/2 of same as it will be shorter for an auto.
 




I've posted so many pics over the years I am running out of attachment space sorry

I work with 3D CAD, and doing exploded diagrams now is a piece of cake. I shudder to think, back in the 60s/70s, how many hours must have gone into doing those drawings on a board. Proper draftsmen..

Cheers,

Gaz
 
And the propeller shaft? Or even the front 1/2 of same as it will be shorter for an auto.

Next run. Along with the other stuff I should have thought of but didn't, such as kick down solenoid etc.

He also has a door in primer - my drivers door has a little too much corrosion on it.
 

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