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Mercedes W114 250 Coupe - help!

The fan will be replacing the vicious one. I think the larger draw than the MS will be the coil packs.
 
Original coil had to be driven by roughly the same so only the MS (control) part is additional. Ditto injectors.

As a reference point, on my car I have 100W main beams - an additional 90W and 7.5A. The alternator copes no problem.

Presumably the 10A peak for a fan is at switch-on?
 
I'm quoting the peak amp requirement of a 30cam Kenlowe, I don't know at what point that kicks in.

I could of course go and run the fan on my Allard, which has a ammeter on the dash...Shame it's 35 miles away!
 
Spoke to Billy today at CCPS (sounds like a Lada specialist) - he thinks adding the fan should not present a problem, it hasn't on any other classic they have fitted like fans to - just ensure it is switched so it doesn't remain on when the ignition is off.
 
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I'm quoting the peak amp requirement of a 30cam Kenlowe, I don't know at what point that kicks in.

I could of course go and run the fan on my Allard, which has a ammeter on the dash...Shame it's 35 miles away!

I have a Kenlowe fan controller which is adjustable for kick-in. The fan needs a 40amp fuse for it not to blow.
 
Someone suggested an electronic water pump today which would remove the need for a mechanical one with engine load below the activation temperature reduced. This would certainly add peak load.

Meanwhile KHM have emailed to say my seats and carpets are ready for collection. I am wary of having them shipped, but the last thing I want just now is a 1200 mile round trip in the depths of winter to collect them.
 
My Allard experience taught me that if you get the basics of cooling right, the extras are not necessary. In that case an engine (the Flathead Ford V8) had well known cooling issues. The previous owner had addressed the symptoms - extra capacity expansion tanks, Kenlowe fan and uprated alternator. The problem was the basics - block silting from the original casting sand (a well known issue on Ford engines of that era), a small block crack (fatal in a flathead where the exhaust goes through the block), worn out water pumps and a radiator on its last legs, as well as a removed engine fan. The answer I rejected was the waterless coolant - a patch rather than a solution. It may be the answer for engines that fundamentally cannot cope with cooling, but for sound ones it has no role.

Here the engine has no known cooling issues. A mechanical pump places a constant load on the engine, but one that is not necessarily tied into the need to cool - so when the car is not moving, water is circulating slowly (and the vicious fan turning equally slowly) and airflow is low, so very poor cooling, which an electric pump can compensate for through thermostatic activation. Equally at high revs, with commensurate fan and airflow cooling, the water pump is churning unnecessarily at full speed, possibly cavitating. Again, electric pump thermostatic triggering is helpful.

Short answer, none of that muck in my Benz...
 
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^ That's about the most common sense thing you've written on here in a long time Charles! :)

With the benefit of your most recent experience would you still go to KHM for your upholstery - was it worth it all things considered...?
 
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Very good question. I need to see the final product first. Their communication has not been great, it has taken a long time (they claim Mercedes were responsible for the seat perforation delays in the leather). So as always, depends on the results!
 
Someone suggested an electronic water pump today which would remove the need for a mechanical one with engine load below the activation temperature reduced. This would certainly add peak load.

A load which may well require an uprated alternator.

How responsive will the MS be in maintaining a stable idle speed when presented with varying engine load? Will an electric pump present a varying load at idle that may make idle stabilisation difficult?

The simplicity and inherent reliability of the mechanical pump are virtues IMO. There would have to be greater benefits from an electric system than I'm seeing before I abandoned the mechanical pump.
 
Good points all Bellow. I can't answer the MS handling of the varying load just yet, but tomorrow given time I shall see how the MS on the SM handles the varying load at idle of me switching on the air con compressor and adding other electrical load - as good a proxy as I can arrange. At the moment my approach is to keep it simple from here, as I will have enough issues to sort, but I like the idea.
 
The SM's behaviour should be a good pointer as to what can be expected - and the guy(s) who will set it up should be able to advise also. If MS controls a throttle by-pass then presumably straightforward.
 
I think...you will have to retain the waterpump or improvise some idler to replace it or the facility for belt tensioning will be lost.
 
Made two videos of the SM idle, one at start up and one when warm, both uploads aborted as they were taking way too long. Switching on the air con produced a mild dip in revs, which is hardly surprising as it is fed via a shaft from the engine. Once on, the addition of extra load (fan speed etc) made no difference and idle remained stable.

Anyway, the pump is staying, too many variables already!
 
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Gosh, lots of updates today. First, I picked up all the interior trim that I had had professionally sprayed. The map pocket and the window winder insert had come from a brown interior as the originals were beyond repair, so were completely re-coloured. The armrests etc had been very faded (original look from a year ago - quite orange and degraded surface).

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Now

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Meanwhile KHM sent photos of the completed seats (they are going to ship them - I can't make a 1200 mile journey at this time of year work). This is going to be one showy interior!

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Meanwhile, up at Weston on the Green, the boot lid fabrication is almost finished (poor Peter has been really not at all well, nor has his wife), he has also fabricated two wheel arch liners for me, the wheel trims have been done and the wheel arches treated with the correct POR15 primer and sprayed. It will go over to Simeon to have a Christmas break (when I shall have a ramp to do some cleaning and sorting) later today and I shall have a look tomorrow!

If this progress is maintained it will be on the road by January 15th...(but possibly not).
 
I want my interior to look as good as this. :thumb:
 

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