Respray the stretched limo

[Dieselman]

I have even sent them a copy of Mrs DM's chavmobile and stated I want it sprayed.... Just like that! (Said in my best Tommy Cooper voice)

That's what I was basing my cost estimate on..

The next job I suppose is letting both the insurance company and the DVLA know my stretched limo has had a face lift. Poor brain is going into zombie mode but I can't work out if that's an improvement or deterioration. I was also looking on the web-site at the Lazurite blue but not having the oppurtunity to see this colour in the flesh has ruled it out.

John

For DVLA I think you just fill in the change part on the V5 then send it off. They will need to alter the Tax disc as well.

 

[GRAV888]

Why the tax disc?

 

[Dieselman]

Why the tax disc?

Doesn't this have the colour on it?

 

[GRAV888]

Doesn't this have the colour on it?

Not on any of mine.
Reg number, class, validation character and the cost.

 

[hawk20]

Hi Mike,
I do take onboard the fact that folks say modern paints don't need baking, Regards
John

Well that is not what the Mercedes recommended bodyshop near me says. They say the amazing modern lacquer (that's what keeps the water out) is baked on at 140C in the factory and at 80C by the recommended bodyshops. The lacquer has minute particles of ceramics in it to greatly improve scratch resistance.

 

[glojo]

Well that is not what the Mercedes recommended bodyshop near me says. They say the amazing modern lacquer (that's what keeps the water out) is baked on at 140C in the factory and at 80C by the recommended bodyshops. The lacquer has minute particles of ceramics in it to greatly improve scratch resistance.

They might not have read the literature? I just can't understand how these low bake ovens could possibly cure this paint? 140 degrees Centigrade might possibly ruin any plastic type material, leather etc??? I can't help but wonder if ALL body-shops simply use the pre nano paint and lots of flannel? I'm afraid if a body-shop told me they were using nano clear coat I would ask to see the tin I have assumed I will get tealite blue with a standard clear top coat? although I never asked. (I HATE folks that try to waffle and I suspect that would happen)

Does your local body-shop know how to tell the difference between the nano and non nano paints?

Regards
John

 

[Dieselman]

Does your local body-shop know how to tell the difference between the nano and non nano paints?

Sratch it.

 

[glojo]

Sratch it.

You might need a key if it's applied correctly

John the cheeky

 

[hawk20]

They might not have read the literature? I just can't understand how these low bake ovens could possibly cure this paint? 140 degrees Centigrade might possibly ruin any plastic type material, leather etc??? I can't help but wonder if ALL body-shops simply use the pre nano paint and lots of flannel? I'm afraid if a body-shop told me they were using nano clear coat I would ask to see the tin I have assumed I will get tealite blue with a standard clear top coat? although I never asked. (I HATE folks that try to waffle and I suspect that would happen)

Does your local body-shop know how to tell the difference between the nano and non nano paints?

Regards
John

Well John the literature link you gave contains this paragraph, which confirms what I said: -
"During the electrostatic paint application process, the binding agent particles float around freely at first in the liquid paint. It is not until the car body is placed inside the paintshop ovens at a temperature of some 140°C that the particles cross-link into a dense network.

This allows the lacquer to provide much more effective scratch protection than conventional paints, whose binding agent and cross-linking agent form comparatively long molecular chains. Tests confirm that the tiny, microscopic ceramic particles do indeed enhance the scratch resistance of this clear lacquer several times over."

As I understand it, any recommended sprayshop can order the new lacquers which are streets ahead of the old ones. I imagine you can tell them apart by what it says on the tin.

Just tell me how you turn a long link into one word -as with your link "literature". Clever stuff.

 

[Dieselman]

Just tell me how you turn a long link into one word -as with your link "literature". Clever stuff.

Hightlight the word and use the 'insert link' button in the toolbar of the reply box.
It's the globe with a chainlink through it.

 

[television]

Well John the literature link you gave contains this paragraph, which confirms what I said: -
"During the electrostatic paint application process, the binding agent particles float around freely at first in the liquid paint. It is not until the car body is placed inside the paintshop ovens at a temperature of some 140°C that the particles cross-link into a dense network.

This allows the lacquer to provide much more effective scratch protection than conventional paints, whose binding agent and cross-linking agent form comparatively long molecular chains. Tests confirm that the tiny, microscopic ceramic particles do indeed enhance the scratch resistance of this clear lacquer several times over."

As I understand it, any recommended sprayshop can order the new lacquers which are streets ahead of the old ones. I imagine you can tell them apart by what it says on the tin.

Just tell me how you turn a long link into one word -as with your link "literature". Clever stuff.

Sorry hawk, I am
possitive that you cant bake at 140c on a complete car.

I am doing some work for for a coachworks in the morning and will post back

 

[Dieselman]

Sorry hawk, I am
possitive that you cant bake at 140c on a complete car.

I am doing some work for for a coachworks in the morning and will post back

Isn't it 140c on the production line and 80c for refinishers.

Still seems high but it probably gets hotter than that on a bright summer day if it's a black car.

 

[hawk20]

Sorry hawk, I am
possitive that you cant bake at 140c on a complete car.

I am doing some work for for a coachworks in the morning and will post back

Malcolm if you read the link Glojo gave it clearly says in the factory they bake at 140C (presumably the body shell etc). As I said in my ealier posting recommended body shops bake at 80C. So says Triangle Sprays at Cadnam Hampshire who are recommended by Mercedes and who I can firmly recommend.

 

[hawk20]

testing one two three

It works!!! Thanks Dieselman and Glojo. Ain't technology wonderful. Or that old Scottish saying: if you learn a little every day, you realise how little you know.

 

[Dieselman]

Did you mean to put a link to a porn site?

 

[hawk20]

Did you mean to put a link to a porn site?

I hope you are pulling my ......... Should link to AE. What a useful link by the way.

 

[television]

Isn't it 140c on the production line and 80c for refinishers.

Still seems high but it probably gets hotter than that on a bright summer day if it's a black car.

That sounds right, I did not see the other bit

 

[Dieselman]

I hope you are pulling my .........

Not me personally, you're not my type.

 

[television]

Interesting with water based paints and ovens, I saw a car today where condensation was leaving the car through the door shuts at the front, the water just dried up and mingled with the paint and you could barely see it when it dried

 

[glojo]

Just tell me how you turn a long link into one word -as with your link "literature". Clever stuff.

Crafty stuff.

I copy the full address of the link,

highlight the one word I want to use in the text

Then where the different options are just above the text box, I click on the thingie shaped like a globe with an anchor chain. When this thingie opens, I paste the link into it.

Your body-shop was right when they mentioned 140 degrees but I have not found anywhere that mentions the lower temperature. I have read any number of links that all state it needs these very high temperatures to just start the nitty gritties
It is not until the car body is placed inside the paintshop ovens at a temperature of some 140°C that the particles cross-link into a dense network.

During tests the scientist were playing with items such as dungy heaps and some of these were heated to the lower temperatures of 75 degrees.

As part of the testing programme, samples of four different substances – sulphuric acid, pancreatin (simulating bird droppings), tree resin and fully desalinated water – were dripped onto the paint surface in rows and left to work their way in over a period of half an hour and in temperatures of 30° to 75°C. The engineers then assessed from what temperature the paint surfaces began to show signs of lasting damage

Hence my doubts about the use of this paint. I wonder if when we ask about the latest technology the body-shop simply say they use.... "The latest paint sir" The temperatures required to get this new nano paint working are surely just too hot. I have NO idea if the 4Matic E-class is still made in Austria, but if it is then as far as I am aware this vehicle does NOT have the nano top coat simply because the spray booths are incapable of reaching the required temperature! My point being that if a car manufacturer cannot get the booth up to the necessary gas mark IV or 140 degrees C then why would a commercial body-shop upgrade their booth to allow them to spray the occasional Mercedes Benz? As a point of interest ask them how they know if a car has this new paint? I think it fair to say the answer is not to either scratch or key it.

Regards
John the doubter